Mafia: Basic

[Silly Kitty]

B_Real, where did you get that the town was waiting for what Mes was going to do? I think we all can see that Mes is just a regular townie who has no more knowledge than the rest of us. I think that TWG just meant she is one person we can trust and mark off the list of people who could be mafia.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

B_Real, where did you get that the town was waiting for what Mes was going to do? I think we all can see that Mes is just a regular townie who has no more knowledge than the rest of us. I think that TWG just meant she is one person we can trust and mark off the list of people who could be mafia.

Actually, I'm a townie who has an outlook with two other townies on the goings on. You'd be surprised the view this gives you and the way the arguments are.

Also, PLEASE oh PLEASE don't follow my every whim. Consider me a good player all you want and a "trustable" person, but know that the "Greater" you're made out to be the greater your mistake will be.

Also, I've not been perfectly in mind set lately so I'm probably missing a good bit of things I would'nt normally.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by SK

B_Real, where did you get that the town was waiting for what Mes was going to do? I think we all can see that Mes is just a regular townie who has no more knowledge than the rest of us. I think that TWG just meant she is one person we can trust and mark off the list of people who could be mafia.

Thar you go.

Originally Posted by TWG

Honestly, I'm going to see what Mesden has to say and basically go along with whatever she says. Yes, I know she's not infallible, and that she could get a townie lynched, but I can trust that she isn't a threat.

Took the whole paragraph since if I only took the first sentence of it, it would be COMPLETELY out of context and taken the wrong way and not somehthing I want happening. If I had been taken only the first sentence, it would have read as if he were going to unconditionally vote along with Mesden.

EDIT: since there seems to be some people worried about not posting(and lurkers associated with that), I'm going to tell you now, I dont know if I'll get a chance to post tommorow (atleast not until late night), due to me spending the night at my friends tonight and then going straight to work afterwards.

[DarthMauler64]

I haven't posted because of finishing up finals, packing up my stuff, and driving home from college. I probally won't be able to post tomorrow either because I am going to a family picnic.

I didn't see this in the thread, so sorry if it was already answered, but are all mason's townies? or could they possibly be mafia?

[Bailey]

masonhood is a personalit trait rather than a role.

any role could be a mason, from doctors to detectives to mafiates.

[h4x.m4g3]

I'll admit I've been lurking, because I have my sister, her two daughters, and her dog up here, visiting and basically controlling my room. Making it impossible for me to think. So I can't contribute anything other then what my gut tells me, and right now my gut tells me don't vote CmP, at least not yet, not enough to go on, other than the 'joke/possible veil' incident. So for now I must watch and wait.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by sk3L3t0n

For the record, I'm not exactly active because I have no opinion at the moment. I missed the beginning, so it is a lot harder for me to understand what's happening, even if I read it.

Well, you could start by taking a look at this post

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Ya know, I think TWG is right. I should have done all of those things, because I should have considered them, because I should have used his foresight and not gone with my own personal feelings of comedy based on past experiences. Once I soup up the Delorean and deliver the fake bomb to the Libyans, I can tell Marty to take care of my things while I find a nice stretch of road and go back to the beginning of the game to do the right thing.

I'll admit, I actually did find that funny.

But moving on to the message in it, I think I can finally pinpoint the problem. "I should have used foresight and not gone with my own personal feelings..."

Bingo. THAT is what has been itching at the back of my brain.

Because yes, you should have used foresight instead of emotion. By all means, I'm not saying we make this a souless game entirely devoid of humor (Like I said, that did make me laugh), but playing based on "feelings" is dangerous. I learned that lesson the hard way. C'mon, I still don't believe it would take a great amount of forethought to figure that it could go bad.

Originally Posted by CmP

That's it, I'm done. I finally see that both sides are shouting the same arguments, but only the ones I spout seem stupid because I can't add anything, while TWG and Mes have an infinite mine of "Whydidntya"-s. I can't compete with that, so I quit arguing on that front.

Because of the simple fact that out of all the choices you had to make the joke, you did it the way you did. Now would you prefer I call you stupid, instead? Because if you honestly made that mistake, you wouldn't be playing at near your best.

Originally Posted by CmP

Nope, I didn't vote for cat. I wouldn't have voted for jeremiahcron either. Humor may not completely transmutate across Internet forums, but knee-jerk stupidity is a universal commodity thats eternally traded. I've been in a lot of games, as has been said over and over, and people who vote randomly aren't that rare. It's the button mashing-equivalent for forum mafia, something that a newcomer can do easily even though he/she may not realize how much it annoys the more experienced. In my experience, 4 out of 5 times a person who vote-mashes is just a newbie townie who wants to contribute but doesn't realize how bad it makes him look. This happened to be the 1 in 5. Hey, another good chance to use the Delorean!

Actually it was more of a point that when added to everything else, really does paint a picture of guilt to me. To say voting history shouldn't be used as it is one of the few concrete things that everyone can look at and agree on, is very bad indeed. Not an entire reason to vote, but it does carry weight.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Also, I'm going to bring it up again, we can't exactly use people who didn't vote catlover as evidence against a mafiate when there were people who we're voting for catlover "having second thoughts" and then there's the whole "mafiates voting for fellow mafiates" business we might have going on.

See above. Not saying it should be the only reason to decide things, but it DOES matter. And I think (not sure about this), that I was the first person (and again, not sure, but I think) am the only one who actually made a point of it so far. Please, point out any instances I missed.

Originally Posted by sk3L3t0n

Don't forget having independant opinions.

I know you weren't addressing me, but I would like to take the time to clarify what I meant earlier.

If I were simply following Mesden, then I wouldn't have this back and forth with CmP. I simply would have voted for her and sat on my thumbs.

I think it may have gotten twisted a bit, (or admittedly, I didn't express it clearly enough) that I would follow her lead if push came to shove. I was already suspicous of CmP even before Mesden was revealed a townie, so you can hardly say I'm coming out of nowhere when it comes to voting for CmP.

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

Ogianres, aren't you forgetting about someone? The PO and reporter aren't anti-townie. Wouldn't it be bad if they died? Wouldn't they be upset if they were going to be lynched?

But there is always roleclaim in that case. Unless of course that isn't allowed. Newb?

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

But, let's say that the votes materialize out of nowhere and I get lynched and after I'm revealed to be a townie people try to sift through the wreckage and point to the prime suspects...who would they find? Mes and TWG...except Mes is a confirmed townie and TWG and everybody else who votes could just claim that they were following Mes's initative because, hey, she was confirmed and she had such great evidence and how were we to know...

See, that's why I'm fighting this lynching.

1) I've seen the "when you find out I'm a townie" defense before. And it's track record isn't too hot if memory serves me correctly. (Meaning that quite a few mafiates used it. Then again, that's just me.)

However, I will not stand for an accusation that I'm just "going along with her". Like I said, if I was doing that, I wouldn't be posting back and forth with you. Ya know, giving you chances to defend yourself, as opposed to repeated attempts to say that I don't listen. Even though I frequently quote and address your points.

The Wandering God

[secretskull]

Originally Posted by Ogianres

CmP, you are just being aggresive and sarcastic now, which doesn't help in the slightest. And don't tell me that you are acting this way because of vote pressure. If I get an influx of votes right now it wouldn't bother me. Why? Because as a townie, my death can actually help gain insight. I believe that the same would apply to any townie that may be lynched. IMO the only people who believes that being lynched is nothing but bad (for them) are anti-town. If you are townie and die, I, and many others I would hope, would seriously evaluate all the posts of this day.

Ogianres, your posts have felt off to me from the beginning. I didn't want to say anything until now, because it would be basically trying to lynch you off a gut feeling. But right now, you practically went out of your way to state that you are a townie. To me it looks as if you tried to mention it in passing, but didn't manage it. This is a scummish thing as far as I am concerned. Sure, it is possible that you said this because you are a townie, and are trying to protect yourself, which is why I'm only FOSing you right now.
FOS Ogianres

[CrazyBen]

Sorry I haven't posted lately. I've been busy with graduation and besides, all the good points have been made 10X over by now, all I can contribute would be "I (dis)agree!" I'll be waiting to vote untill later. So please, don't acusse me of lurking, or ditching the game.

[Silly Kitty]

Originally Posted by TWG

But there is always roleclaim in that case. Unless of course that isn't allowed. Newb?

Role claims are allowed. I think it would be kind of foolish for a PO/Reporter to role claim on the second day. That would leave the doctor tied up and he couldn't protect anyone else. That is never a good thing.