John Dies at the End Mafia

[Moogle0119]

I received my psychologist PM on 08-07 at 7:31pm.

I believe that it was Night 2 when I got affected.

[Masked Jedi]

I usually am not checking the thread and waiting for people to post. I check like once an hour, and post if there's a need too. Any rapid posting is coincidence.

[Rokrin]

I'm just on pretty much all day, even from work, so I generally check pretty fast. So far most of my votes have been due to reading the explanations of everyone else and basing my vote off of that, aside from the whole Shadow Men thing.

There's really not much I can do to convince you of townie status short of you guys lynching me and finding out, so if that's the way we want to vote I'll vote for myself as well. It might damn us because it's one less townie but hey, I'm already dead then, so it doesn't hit me too bad. :p

[Cid Highwind]

Well, it IS somewhat suspicious that when the pychologist died, a handful of people were all of a sudden "Oh HAI, I'm scum, but the Pycho got me, I'm harmless!" But with Link dead, thats not such a big deal now.

And... just pointing out-- starting a witchhunt when people vote doesnt seem to help come to a lynch. People dont vote when they think that will make THEM on the chopping block.

Just sayin'.

[Demetrius]

Yeah... Nice try. I never said I was scum, far from it.

[Cephrir]

In that case, Demonlink is probably the liar. I was psychologist'd Night 1.

So we may have cultists.

[bananarama]

How can we have cultists running around if the CL is dead? .... Oh please don't tell me h4x made the CL role even more borked....

[Cephrir]

True, some mods have cultists revert after the CL dies. But then anyone who gets recruited would just out the CL because cults suck.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Demetrius

Yeah... Nice try. I never said I was scum, far from it.

I actually wasnt even talking about you. It was more about Demonlink2's claim, which I wasnt buying.

So yeah, we might have some cultists around here. But you would think, we'd have hit one by now.

[Cati]

Originally Posted by Moogle0119

Well for those of you who think I'm lying about my win condition consider this, Ecurt was the other Gossiper and he's dead. I've never seen a team of people who's win condition is based on the survivor role in that they stay alive until one group or another claims victory and they receive victory with them. The lovers roles and serial killer win conditions maintains that they're the last person(s) standing and really there's no way I can manage to pull that off anymore. My group is dead either way you look at it, whether via town lynch or mafia kill during the night or whatever else happens to be out there or town eliminating all the threats to the town. It's up to you guys really whether you want me to help out or not. If not I'll let you guys waste a lynch on me if you feel it's absolutely necessary at this point in the game.

My main problem with your win condition is this:

Originally Posted by Ecurt

It was damn near impossible to get a majority in the town with just the two of us. It's impossible now that you found both of us, and even more impossible now that you know who we are.

From what Ecurt is saying, it sounds a LOT like you two would have to make up the majority of the town instead of having to investigate a majority of the town. If that was the case, why not announce your win condition as soon as you were revealed and help out town as investigators? Then, as far as I can see, town lets you live, and with any luck, you live long enough to make your condition. Please tell me if I'm misunderstanding something here because stuff isn't making sense.

Anyway, psychologist-ness. Just to clarify...
Cephrir - Night 1
Demonlink2 - Night 2
Moogle - Night 2
Demetrius - Night 3

So yeah, either Demonlink2 or Moogle is lying.

So... if Demonlink2 was lying, that means there would be two cultists. Reason: He said he was only able to make one attempt (therefore night 1) and tried to convert Fenris. Result: he "got chills." Knowing what we know now about Fenris, this makes sense, and it doesn't make sense for Demonlink2 to say this at the time without that information. So yeah, two. Not impossible that we didn't run into them, especially since Fenris was doing the delete-y thing and could have disappeared them, but I don't think that's extremely likely. I've been attempting to reconstruct who disappeared when (mostly because I'm insane). There was, what, 26 people to start, yeah? So who did Fenris get?

Night One: Tendronai
Night Two: Rygar
Night Three: BHS
Night Four: No one disappeared, unless I'm a blind idiot.

But anyway. Max = 2 inductees. Minimum = zero, and this could be whether Demonlink2 was lying or not; however, I highly doubt that Fenris would have gotten them both, if any.

As for what if Moogle is lying, I'm going to wait for an answer to the above question. Something doesn't feel right, but at the same time, it does seem to make sense, disregarding the above possible inconsistency. In any case, the problem with lynching Moogle could be more than the unknown number of mafiates, but also the possible cult. Heck, the town could already be outnumbered by scum and the only reason we haven't lost yet is because no scum group has made majority. I'm not sure what is most believable to me, but I really, really hope Moogle's lying because that would probably mean Demonlink2 was telling the truth.

Herein ends your dosage of pessimism.