chat8bit: Mafia

[Arhra]

Now there's two ways to look at this. If we choose to believe Marius and he's telling the truth, then lynching Mesden means that the cult will not gain another member and we will have cut off its head so to speak. He will then almost certainly be killed overnight by the mafia but he will be able to give us one more name with his night action and last words. It would be very handy to have proof on one of the high suspicion people like Newb or Roy.

If he's lying, we lose a townie, are vulnerable to the night roles and will be able to lynch him the next day.

If he instead lynch him now and he's telling the truth, we lose the PO, give the cult another night of recruitment and then lynch the cult leader the next day. If he's lying, we eliminate a threat to the town immediately, but unless he's the cult leader, we don't actually stop any night roles.

Now, I'll open up with my vote.

Unvote: Newb
Vote: Mesden

Quite simply, Marius has no strong reason for such a subterfuge. He wasn't being lynched so he wouldn't have done it to give himself another day like TGT did, a cultist trying to remove Mesden is nonsensical as they could just recruit her and revealing oneself like that is madness for a mafiate. The mafiates can't afford to make what is, at best, a one for one trade.

Thus, the simplest explaination is that he's telling the truth. I have come to the conclusion that there is more to gain by supporting him.

EDIT: Minor clarification, spelling

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Arhra

a cultist trying to remove Mesden is nonsensical as they could just recruit her

You know, think about my power. Now think about how the cultists apparently draft people. Now put two and two together and maybe the cult failed the night before the Elbodo draft and now they want me dead as to get that out of the way (Someone they wasted a recruitment on and can never be on their side) and what's one draftee to rid them of an overall threat?

That's about all I can say about this, but, I'm gonna be killed for this, then whatever. Arhra's 'logic' on the way to approach this irks me in several ways, because I'm the only one here that knows the truth and how it's gonna turn out.

So, let's say I've been lying over and over again this whole game and that Marius is the PO. Well, Marius, you fecked it up for the town bigtime, because now we've lost the PO, BG and Vig for the sake of what? Killing 'the cult'? I'm sorry, but it's just not working out for me. I don't see how anyone's alligning with your roleclaim, and your excuse for going out this far and losing our PO is because I'm 'too good'?

So, if this all turns out that I'm scum, I'd say mafia wins, because of the town's now apparent lack of roles, while the mafia stands with 3.

But, hey, if I am the CL, it looks like a repeat of last time I was. You know, every single time I drafted someone, someone in my cult would get hit? And with only the Mafia alive at one point. Amazing, no? History might repeat itself.

[MariusTwilight]

Yeah, looking at it I rather did mess up. I could go on a rant about it being my first time and such. What would be the point? What has happened and happened. I'm not too good at participating in games like these, but hey, what is done is done.

[Demonlink2]

Y'know, all of this just rings wrong to me. If he were the PO, Marius could have done this a lot more subtlely. So, assuming he's really the PO, town loses any chance of survival to remove the mafia, for the sake of removing the cult. If he's mafia, we remove a mafia and, unless the real PO comes out, and even then, we're probably still screwed.And he's probably not a cultist attempting to remove Mesden, which is pointless due to recruitment possibilites. Which brings up a better point: Why isn't Mesden recruited? She's a known townie, paranoid and apparently un-night-killable (due to Fenris' post, a la here.)

Would the cult leader have yellow text like a townie? I don't think so. You are really crappy at this, and that's about all the truth there.

So, without further ado,
Vote:MariusTwilight.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

By the way, if any of the info is wrong, please tell me.

Edit:Grammar errors.

[Mesden]

Yellow text didn't mean I was townie, but I stated every point I saw possible.

[Fenris]

VOTE COUNT

MariusTwilight (6)
Mesden
Inbred Chocobo
IHateMakingNames
Ecurt
Roy_D_Mylote
Demonlink2

Roy_D_Mylote (2)
GARUD
Nikose

Mesden (1)
Arhra

No Lynch (1)
Newb

9 TO LYNCH. DEADLINE IS OH FUCK IT.

And Demonlink? I have said multiple times that Mesden is not necessarily a townie. Now I know I should be impartial and all, but at least check. Let's say Mesden is the Cult Leader. She gets attacked overnight. Let's say I use a color other than yellow to describe her. Boom, she gets lynched, and all the fun is gone for her. Also, she did a smiliar thing for me when I was BG protected in SoL Mafia, although I was an actual townie.

[MariusTwilight]

Demonlink.. you didn't pay attention to what Fenris said after that night was over. Mesden and Fenris have already said this, I know. But basing anything on colour of text is quite absurd.

Vote: Demonlink

Why? He strikes me as abit suspicous. Newb or Roy don't seem suspicious to me, but whatever. Not like I'll live past monday to test my theory.

Edit: Changes FOS to Vote. No real reason, besides a gut feeling.

[Steel Shadow]

I don't know. If MT is the PO lnching him takes out the last of the townie roles, I think. Which ain't good.
So we have three groups I can think of here, Townies, cult and mafia. Lets try out all the pairings

Mes = townie
MT = townie - Thats just... no, the odds of that are not good.
MT = cult - unles he's the CL, he's expendable, and Mes is a reasonable threat due to the "wont die at night" thing. But that's hardly a problem for the cult, they could just induct her. Unless the paranoid thing works against that. Not that great odds here either.
MT = Mafia - Ok, Mes is quite a threat to the mafai 'cuase she doesn't die at night. If she's just a regular townie, he's probably mafia.

Mes = cult
MT = townie - if he is the PO, and he's found out she's cult, well it's probably confirmation of his POness. Unfortuantly it would probably also be signing his death warrent.
MT = cult - Unless he's the CL and she's a lacky and this is to throw off suspicion (kinda usless 'cuase the mafia are going to do something about that), this aint really that likely.
MT = Mafia - Pretty much the same as townie Mes mafai MT, but with a happy coincidence thrown in.

Mes = Mafia
MT = townie - unless he's lying about the PO, this makes no sense what so ever. At all.
MT = cult - ...pretty much the same as townie mes. Not likely.
MT = Maifa - Nope, it wouldn't even instill trust in him to be the PO, 'cuase he said she was cult. (actualy I should probably check he said that)

So the most likely combos are

Mes townie MT mafia and Mes cult MT PO.

Basic logic says that since MT has a chance of being a very valuable character, We should vote for Mes. But if he's mafiia, we lose an important defensive role and the mafia kill someone else tonight. And he'd die tonight. But if Mes is cult, she can induct another person tonight (or is she a normal cultist? I really need to read stuff more carefully).
If Mes is scum, he'll die by mafia. If she's innocent, we'll have found a mafia man. So either way he's dead. Mes will live on if we kill him though. Terfore we should save the potentially protownie roll that we can actualy save and kill MT tonight. If he is actualy the PO, we can kill her tomorow.

Ok, after all that, I'm going to vote: MariusTwilight

[IHateMakingNames]

Since you've role-claimed Marius, you should probably tell us all of your other finding.

[MariusTwilight]

Actually, my findings were rendered irrelevent most of time. Mesden and Silly Kitty were investigated by Raiden before his job was given to me. I then investgated TGT (Before the whol lynching thing..) and then Inbred Chocobo. IC is Townie, when I investigated. The cult may have gotten to him since then.