Bastard Politician Mafia - Page 38

Zilla · 02-09-2009, 02:58 AM

I was weirded out by the really apathetic kill method on Synk too, but whatever. Perhaps it was because he wasn't culted or something? I have no answer for that one, it confused me too.

Also, Moogle's just trying to save his own neck. :P Of course he's going to try to spin it on the next likely suspect.

Considering his reaction, I'm relatively convinced he's not town, and I'll vote myself tomorrow if he comes up town aligned. You've got my word on that.

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-09-2009, 03:26 AM

Assuming we're voting Moogle, I'm tempted to lay down some investigation for the Media to follow to help us work out how they work.
But it didn't really work last time (grumble grumble) so I think media are culted and it not worth the effort.

Moogle0119 · 02-09-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zilla

Also, Moogle's just trying to save his own neck. :P Of course he's going to try to spin it on the next likely suspect.

You mean spin it back onto the suspect who almost got impeached/lynched before she role-claimed something without a name and a very suspicious role with no reasoning yet behind the death of Jon Stewart? Yeah that's me.

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Originally Posted by Zilla

Considering his reaction, I'm relatively convinced he's not town, and I'll vote myself tomorrow if he comes up town aligned. You've got my word on that.

Of course you're convinced I'm not town, anything to buy the Libertarian cult leader more time and another day to possibly try to pick up another Lobbyist so they can take over once she dies off. Remember Zilla, if you're going to use the media's only investigation against me from Day 1 (I'm not counting Cati's because there's no way to confirm it) that obviously makes you a Libertarian from Night 1 onwards in both the Night 1 and Night 2 posts.

Zilla · 02-09-2009, 04:36 AM

I have a sneaking suspicion your whole "Your role doesn't have a name!" claim is going to be the death of you...

Also, you basically confirmed you're party aligned.

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Of course you're convinced I'm not town, anything to buy the Libertarian cult leader more time and another day to possibly try to pick up another Lobbyist so they can take over once she dies off. Remember Zilla, if you're going to use the media's only investigation against me from Day 1 (I'm not counting Cati's because there's no way to confirm it) that obviously makes you a Libertarian from Night 1 onwards in both the Night 1 and Night 2 posts.

If you're saying I'm Libertarian, you're acknowledging you're republican.

I never said anything about my argument being based on the media.

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-09-2009, 04:41 AM

Yeah Moogle you're in a bit of a bind here.
Either: Media are pretty accurate and you're scum alongside Zilla so either lynch is productive.
or
B) Media are pretty inaccurate and we need to test them in which case we still should lynch you first because of the possibility that Zilla is who she says she is (a critical town role).
In both situations we should impeach you.

Moogle0119 · 02-09-2009, 08:33 AM

Actually I was more along the lines of impeaching Zilla to test out how accurate the media's investigations are. If it was just one investigation on Zilla I wouldn't care, probably not even 2. But 3 certainly seems like it may be true and although we haven't seen any conflicting reports by the media yet doesn't mean that it may not happen and give us more to go off of in the future.

Zilla there's so many holes in your roleclaim besides just the "not being named" thing.

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Originally Posted by Zilla

Role claimin' time: I'm Anarchistic gun-nut. I'm the killing role, and I'm unable to be culted. My goal is to eliminate all the political parties. I can't kill vanilla town (why there was no kill last night), so I can also act as a PO of sorts.

versus...

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Originally Posted by Ape Boy

Also, Synkr0nized, Jon Stewart, Media has grown apathetic to the entire system, leaving it all behind to move on with his life!

2 major things are wrong with your hasty roleclaim to safe yourself from impeachment

1. No name, instead it's just a general role name given to you. Highly unlikely since we've only seen media being named.

2. You're an an Anarchistic gun-nut, yet you killing synk does not match up at all to your roles methods. Believably, if you WERE an Anarchistic gun-nut we would have had a Night 1 post about Jon Stewart being shot by some crazy guy. I find it funny that you decided to answer CC's find on this with a "well shucks, I have no idea! but whatever..." sort of answer when it seriously mis-matches with what you've claimed to be.

I'm also very highly suspicious of Smarty's and Zilla's teamwork here suddenly which may end up bringing the both of you down sooner than you'd think.

Truce · 02-09-2009, 01:30 PM

I think it's a good time to point out that B_real lacked a name.

So, on at least that point, Moogle is wrong.

For the moment, I'll trust Zilla. A simple test is to have her kill one of the other "confirmed" party members, and declare who she's going to target today. In a game with limited ways to take out people, taking out a possible one so soon that might be on our side seems strange.

Cephrir · 02-09-2009, 03:04 PM

I have to admit, there is a lot of evidence against Zilla here. In addition to CC's findings about the kill method (as well as Zilla's complete failure to note this in her claim post or at any point up until it was pointed out), Zilla has basically claimed, as I said before, the one and only thing that could possibly stop her lynch today, an uncultable town power role. And of course she's been investigated as the same alignment by several media members. I don't even think they can choose to spin their investigations once culted, based on what Cati has told us; only whether to report or not. If we choose to believe Zilla therefore, we're essentially believing that either

A) she is secretly a Libertarian-miller
or
B) All the media members who investigated her just happened to show her as Libertarian, at random.

Trying to confirm Zilla here seems like a waste of time to me. Culted doctors and/or roleblockers of any alignment are likely to screw with her, and even a town RB should probably be blocking her tonight. Quite frankly her claim just involves too many coincidences IMO. And although though it's my opinion that the most likely case is that Moogle and Zilla are both scum, I'm definitely considering voting Zilla today. But, I think I'd like Moogle to claim before I make that decision.

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-09-2009, 04:26 PM

It's not that I don't think Zilla is scum.
I just think both Moogle and Zilla are possibly scum and a lynch for either is helpful in figuring out the media.
The only reason I'm opposed a Zilla lynch is because it is far too risky just in case she was telling the truth.
As Cephr said, Zilla will be roleblocked/targeted to all hell tonight so I'm really not to wofrried about her causing any damage. We can also impeach her tommorow.
If we leave Moogle tonight, he's less likely to be roleblocked which allows him to induct another member.
Moogle, you haven't even denied the media reports and given us a counter-roleclaim.

Zilla won't be doing anything tonight, Moogle probably will be.
Both of them can help us examine the media.
If we lynch Moogle and he's a townie that's bad but not catastrophic. If we lynch Zilla and she is our sole killing role that is catastrophic.
There is NO reason to lynch Zilla today when we can do it tommorow once we have more information about her roleclaim. There is reason to lynch Moogle today and we hsould act on it.

Oron · 02-09-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Truce

For the moment, I'll trust Zilla. A simple test is to have her kill one of the other "confirmed" party members, and declare who she's going to target today. In a game with limited ways to take out people, taking out a possible one so soon that might be on our side seems strange.

There could be a few ways to explain some of this and the incident with synk.

For one, Jon Stewart's "growing apathetic with the system and moving on with his life" could just be a coverup for threats coming from a gun-nut, rather than actually being murdered. It's possible media members aren't killable but can be "persuaded" to quit their occupations, or in this case the killer attempted to murder Stewart, didn't kill him, and the whole ordeal scared him into leaving the media. This may hurt us, but there's a chance that Jon Stewart's intended media role was spreading misinformation, as we were told we need to decide on which bits of information to trust.

The killing role, if Zilla is the killing role, may have targeted synk merely due to inactivity, like a political party leader attempting to simply slide under the radar and cult prospective people.

Also, having Zilla announce a target seems like a reasonable idea and yet at the same time like a bad idea. If Zilla is not the killer, the real killer might kill the same target simply to keep cult attention away from them, for the time being.

Note: I am ignorant and inexperienced, so I'm quite possibly way off the mark.

02-09-2009, 02:58 AM	#371
Zilla Lakitu Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,378	I was weirded out by the really apathetic kill method on Synk too, but whatever. Perhaps it was because he wasn't culted or something? I have no answer for that one, it confused me too. Also, Moogle's just trying to save his own neck. :P Of course he's going to try to spin it on the next likely suspect. Considering his reaction, I'm relatively convinced he's not town, and I'll vote myself tomorrow if he comes up town aligned. You've got my word on that. __________________ MENCHI Pink It's cowboy time, I'm so MENCHI right now. Metroid is a great man because his friends don't rape him.

02-09-2009, 03:04 PM	#378
Cephrir With no _s! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the wild. Posts: 24	I have to admit, there is a lot of evidence against Zilla here. In addition to CC's findings about the kill method (as well as Zilla's complete failure to note this in her claim post or at any point up until it was pointed out), Zilla has basically claimed, as I said before, the one and only thing that could possibly stop her lynch today, an uncultable town power role. And of course she's been investigated as the same alignment by several media members. I don't even think they can choose to spin their investigations once culted, based on what Cati has told us; only whether to report or not. If we choose to believe Zilla therefore, we're essentially believing that either A) she is secretly a Libertarian-miller or B) All the media members who investigated her just happened to show her as Libertarian, at random. Trying to confirm Zilla here seems like a waste of time to me. Culted doctors and/or roleblockers of any alignment are likely to screw with her, and even a town RB should probably be blocking her tonight. Quite frankly her claim just involves too many coincidences IMO. And although though it's my opinion that the most likely case is that Moogle and Zilla are both scum, I'm definitely considering voting Zilla today. But, I think I'd like Moogle to claim before I make that decision. __________________ :rmage: See, anytime you do anything, the_e is a one in twenty chance that you will c_itically fail.

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02-09-2009, 03:26 AM	#372
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Assuming we're voting Moogle, I'm tempted to lay down some investigation for the Media to follow to help us work out how they work. But it didn't really work last time (grumble grumble) so I think media are culted and it not worth the effort.

02-09-2009, 04:41 AM	#375
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Yeah Moogle you're in a bit of a bind here. Either: Media are pretty accurate and you're scum alongside Zilla so either lynch is productive. or B) Media are pretty inaccurate and we need to test them in which case we still should lynch you first because of the possibility that Zilla is who she says she is (a critical town role). In both situations we should impeach you.

02-09-2009, 01:30 PM	#377
Truce Lakitu Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,856	I think it's a good time to point out that B_real lacked a name. So, on at least that point, Moogle is wrong. For the moment, I'll trust Zilla. A simple test is to have her kill one of the other "confirmed" party members, and declare who she's going to target today. In a game with limited ways to take out people, taking out a possible one so soon that might be on our side seems strange.

02-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#379
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	It's not that I don't think Zilla is scum. I just think both Moogle and Zilla are possibly scum and a lynch for either is helpful in figuring out the media. The only reason I'm opposed a Zilla lynch is because it is far too risky just in case she was telling the truth. As Cephr said, Zilla will be roleblocked/targeted to all hell tonight so I'm really not to wofrried about her causing any damage. We can also impeach her tommorow. If we leave Moogle tonight, he's less likely to be roleblocked which allows him to induct another member. Moogle, you haven't even denied the media reports and given us a counter-roleclaim. Zilla won't be doing anything tonight, Moogle probably will be. Both of them can help us examine the media. If we lynch Moogle and he's a townie that's bad but not catastrophic. If we lynch Zilla and she is our sole killing role that is catastrophic. There is NO reason to lynch Zilla today when we can do it tommorow once we have more information about her roleclaim. There is reason to lynch Moogle today and we hsould act on it.