Mafia: NPF edition

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by SithDarth

Oh and to tell you the truth I'm more for having fun than actually winning so I might not be fully thinking of anyone's but my best intrest while playing.

Psst... If you didn't notice, me drilling people's posts with my own logic IS fun for me. I could care less about winning, otherwise I wouldn't have had fun in the games where I lost. (For the record...1 >.>)

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

Well I just have to ask, so? Its just as important that a townie stay on as many people's good side as possible. Unless they like being lynched. A townie should always assume that everyone not a confirmed townie is out there to kill them. As such staying on people's good side can really help. Implicit in that is that all other townies potentially suspect them as not a townie. So once again its a good idea to stay on the good side of as many people as possible. In general play style can have very little to do with role unless that play style directly conflicts with the goal of that role. I see no evidence of that here.

Yeah, that's just it. You're assuming things again. One voice, even in a plethora of accusations, can and will make a difference. Our's seem to be proficient enough as it is.

The staying on people's good side part...I can see your point, but I just don't agree with it. If you're on EVERYONE'S goodside, then you really can't contribute much to the town, unless you're trying to steer clear of, oh, say the vig and SK if you're mafia. Same goes for if you're SK, Vig, PO, BG or CL and you're trying to stay on the good side of killing roles.

But for a townie, getting on everyone's good side seems to take away from any effectiveness you could have towards the town, aside from just being another positive number.

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

That's just me. I tend to fixate on a word or two during a chain of ideas and use the crap out of it. I've trained myself atleast attempt to fix it but it still happens.

I noticed.

Personally I'm of the believe that its better to see hundred guilty men go free than jail an innocent man.

Yeah...But in this case, we lose if you do that.

I've got a slight problem turning off my ethics for pretty much anything. Hell I can't even play a darkside character in KOTOR because I can't bring myself to act evil enough.

That's a problem, now isn't it? You can't be a good guy to everyone, since that will soon lead to you being bad, Mr. Morals.

Also, so what if I defend a corned mafiate. If you've got enough evidence against him that I'm convinced I'm not going to stand in anyones way.

See, you didn't come off as that when you stated how you act. You just said you'd take the weaker side, so I assumed *Snicker* thusly.

Besides even if I did if the evidence was piled up that bad what ever I say isn't going to make a difference. If it does than one of two things is happening. One you people are putting far to much stock into the things I say; which is very bad.

Again, someone with a lot of influence, which you may have and may be building up, CAN make a stupendous difference. I refer you to game 1's Psycho Mantis.

Two, there never was a very strong case in the first place and so something else probably conspired against the person.

The best case may not be strong, and even the flimsiest of cases can target mafia's. Check the FIRST vote ever made by Inbred Chocobo(Townie) against Pyros/Incendius(Mafiate) in game one. IC was immediately shunned off for a weak case that was proposed by the afformentioned Psycho Mantis and Pyros himself.

Of course that doesn't negate his probabalistic chances of being a mafiate but I don't really like voting totally on probabilty.

Neither do I. Notice how I'm drilling you right now to confirm or disprove my vote.

Of course a small part of having fun is winning so mostly my best intrest, if you believe I'm a townie, will match with the towns.

Now why would I think the person I'm voting for is a townie.

Also, I really don't know even 10% of what went on in even the mafia games I joined.

That's a shame.

After I got killed off I stopped reading except for an odd few posts here and there when someone mentioned something interesting in other places about it.

Most are like that.

Although, even if I had read all of them I have this incrediable aversion to coping styles of play. Its another one of those odd quirks about me. Kinda like all this personal infromation I'm giving for no apparent reason really.

Now why am I supposed to believe this?

Well those are some reasons up there, but really my play style is all about my personality. Part of that is a complusive need to make sure I and everyone else sees all sides of everything. I'm a really wholistic type of guy.

But, you see, I can't trust that. So that's not dissuading really. It was like Twid's defense saying he was lazy in Mafia Basic. Doesn't prove a thing, seeing as he was mafia.

So really what we have here is conflicting play styles and conflicting personalities, more than likely. Well at least its drummed up an honest discourse that hopefully will lead to a dead mafiate.

You SAY that, but it's all conjecture. You can't honestly expect just saying, "I play off my personality. So, let me explain my personality to you which may or may not be a ruse."

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Yeah...But in this case, we lose if you do that.

You do realize that sounds like you're proposing that you would rather see a hundred innocent men jailed than see a guilty man free right? Thats not exactly in the best interest of the town either, sacrificing many townies just to see one "Banned". Is that what you're proposing Mes?


Also remember everyone, Assuming makes an ass out of you AND me.:p

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

You do realize that sounds like you're proposing that you would rather see a hundred innocent men jailed than see a guilty man free right? Thats not exactly in the best interest of the town either, sacrificing many townies just to see one "Banned". Is that what you're proposing Mes?


Also remember everyone, Assuming makes an ass out of you AND me.:p

No, I was being a bit more literal in saying that if we AREN'T ready to be able to make the chance of possibly lynching townies to get mafiates, then we can never vote as it's impossible to be completely sure, aside from bien the PO.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Mesden makes a convincing case against Sith. But how do we know that Mesden isn't mafia, trying to get us to kill one of our own? On the other hand, Sith could be mafia, Mesden could be a townie, and I could be wrong on both counts. God this game is confusing.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Mesden makes a convincing case against Sith. But how do we know that Mesden isn't mafia, trying to get us to kill one of our own? On the other hand, Sith could be mafia, Mesden could be a townie, and I could be wrong on both counts. God this game is confusing.

That's the point. Hehe. See, you also left out the fact that we could be two mafiates attacking each other from the get go and trying to get the other lynched REALLY badly, as to preserve yourself no matter what! It's one of my back up mafia plans!

And yes, I am convincing. It's the reason I'm me, you know, former mafiate supreme.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Well now my world has been rocked and my mind blown.

Not really. I had that idea. I just didn't want to bring it up in case that was actually the case, for then I would have been screwed, no?

[Truce]

Right now, Roy, they're both questioning methods and, though that can lead to some answers, it really isn't going anywhere to prove either is a mafia member without some history in the game to back it up.

Which is why I'm going after Neyo right now. I have a reason, if a shaky one but that's pretty much all you have in the first day besides gut instincts, to believe that he is a threat to the town. Neyo had the closest thing to a concrete opinion over who can be a mafia member which, to me right now, is questionable as to how he gained it.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Neyo could be the PO. He could know one of the mafia members and could be targetting them, trying to think up a sort of ruse to not reveal his position.

[Truce]

See, I am not thinking only of the possibilities right now, Roy, because possibilities get us nowhere unless we narrow them down. Until we get closer to the answer, all of us are mafia, all of us are the cult, and all of us are the PO, the Vig, and the bodyguard...maybe. That is why I am looking for the answers.

And only he can answer to me his reasoning.

EDIT:

To clarify, just thinking of the possibilities leads us nowhere. We need to narrow them down, as a town, so that we can more effectively go after the threats.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Neyo could be the PO. He could know one of the mafia members and could be targetting them, trying to think up a sort of ruse to not reveal his position.

except he hasn't exactly given us anything. If you look at the list of players we have,

Originally Posted by Garud

-Newb
-Ecurt
-B_Real_Shadows
-Steel Shadow
-Silly Kitty
-Inbred Chocobo
-Sk3l3ton
-Ogrianes
-Sithdarth
-Catlover
-H4x m4g3
-The wizard who did it ("Mauve Mage", NPF aligned)
-Neyo the King
-grth wllms
-The Space Pope
-Roy D Moylet
-Crazy Ben
-Daisuke
-MOM
-Demonlink2
-Thundergod Cid
-Dojindog
-Fenriswolf
-Darthmauler64
-Mesden

Those hilighted in green are the people who have never played before. I'm not including inexperienced mafia as an actual game they played FYI. Its too incomplete. Also, despite grthwllms being in Mafia: Basic, he got killed without getting a chance to actually do anything so he's in the list too.

Now, of those 5, do you really think that all of them ended up in the mafia? I hardly doubt it. Everyone else is a vet at this game. Odds are, only 1 of those 5 are a mafiate, which are the same odds we have on everyone else. Neyo The Kings assumptions we'rent completely baseless, its just that it'd be too improbably that the 5 new guys we have, are our 5 mafiates. It just isnt going to happen. Unless Garud rigged it

Originally Posted by Neyo

Alright, I can draw only one conclusion from Twiddy's first night demise. At least on of the Mafia people have played this before. A bunch of mafia newbies wouldn't know that Twiddy was a threat, unless they were told that he was. It's not much help, but it's a start, so now I shall wait to see how things unfold.

I don't like this bolded part of his post however. Twiddy being a threat in the last game was only because he actually was a mafiate. for the mafiates, the inactive players are gods to them since thats less people to defend against when their accused and less votes on them too. But he does also have one of the last, if not the last, vote of the day, this would leave little room for the mafia to sway him if his vote was the deciding vote.