Helen Thomas forced to retire after 67 year career for criticizing Israel

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by NonCon

The higher your position, the higher a standard you are both held to and ought to be held to. Are people blowing it out of proportion? Yes. Is it fair? No. Does that mean "Oh no these guys are such jerks for firing her she said she was SORRY~"? Not remotely.

It was in what appears to be a informal interview, with a website that doesn't really appear to be professional itself. She shouldn't be held to the same standard as she is at a White House Press Conference.

The alternate response was to pretend I actually had any respect for that viewpoint, wherein Smarty derails this into "Why professionalism is bad" and I'm just not in the mood to walk down that incredibly stupid road.

Or you could not insult Smarty, and just ignore his comment?

I'm not assuming anything. You said you agreed with her.

And you assumed that the entire total sum reason of my support was that I agreed with her, which is not the case.

I don't disagree with her views.

I didn't say you did, I said that if you won't not assume about me, I won't assume about you.

I just expect White House correspondents to act like professional adults even when they really don't want to.

Except context is pretty much the most important part. If she expressed these views in her bathroom at three in the morning, you're not expecting her to act like a professional, and if she's in a much more relaxed setting, she can't be really held to the standard that she should be held to in a much more official setting.

*Finds example of someone being racist when they wouldn't get called out on being racist.* Whelp, guess there's no standard for racism. *moonwalks the fuck out*

Except her viewpoints weren't fucking racist. Do you seriously believe that bullshit?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

I can't really agree with the way she said it, but even so suddenly labelling this woman an anti-semite is clearly bullshit.

Pretty much agree 100% with this.

The reaction is totally overblown, yes, but so is the reaction to the reaction.

Should she be labeled an anti-semite? Nah. Should people be darting away from her as quick as possible? Probably not.

Should she still be fired for going on camera and saying anyone should get the hell out of anywhere? Yes. Yes, she should.

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

It was in what appears to be a informal interview, with a website that [url=http://rabbilive.com/]doesn't really appear to be professional itself. She shouldn't be held to the same standard as she is at a White House Press Conference.

Well, to respond in the same manner as you seem to enjoy given your last line there:
'Except she is still the fucking lead White House Corespondent and it doesn't matter if it is goddamn Bill the Retard Hick from Retard Town Interviewing her for the tatoo on his Donger, she STILL NEEDS TO MAINTAIN AN AIR OF PROFESSIONALISM. Do you seriously not get that?

[Mr.Bookworm]

Alright, done here.

If I keep arguing, I'm going to get even more pissed off than I already am and say something stupid.

Bye!

[Magus]

"This is a big fucking deal." --Biden

"Go fuck yourself." --Cheney

WE MUST MAINTAIN THESE HIGH STANDARDS OF DECORUM! SOCIETY WILL COLLAPSE IF WE SAY "HELL!"

All of this ignoring the fact that she wasn't fired for saying "hell", she was fired for her opinion. You don't think she would've have been railroaded if she hadn't swore?

Missing the goddamn fucking point by a mile, Jesus H. Christ!

[krogothwolf]

Krylo's right about professionalism on this, she really can't be like that. Granted a lot of people are lacking in that, but she's in a position were professionalism matters.

She's a public figure in a sense. It'd be like Obama getting plastered at a baseball game. Yeah, normal people do that, but he's no longer just a "normal" person.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Magus

"This is a big fucking deal." --Biden

"Go fuck yourself." --Cheney

WE MUST MAINTAIN THESE HIGH STANDARDS OF DECORUM! SOCIETY WILL COLLAPSE IF WE SAY "HELL!"

...I don't think she got fired for saying hell.
It was probably more every other goddamn thing wrong with her sentence.

[Aerozord]

well it doesn't sound that racist. I mean yes it might have had that intent. but she was saying, stop fighting over a patch of desert. Seemed less to do with the fact they are jews, and more to do with the millenia long wars

[Magus]

Oh, good, someone who wants to talk about her opinion.

Obviously expecting all the Israelis in Palestine to "go home" is a ridiculous statement, I'm not sure where she was going with that. It's unrealistic. The best to expect would be the partition that was originally recommended where they each get half the country/Jerusalem to be enforced, although just giving them at least the Gaza Strip and the West Bank would probably placate most of the Palestinians. But are there lots of people who think they should abandon the whole idea of having an Israel? Yes.

And don't get me wrong, Hearst Publications firing her, or whatever, that's their business. They're a private business. The White House getting involved, like Gibbs did, is bullshit. Wouldn't want a member of the White House press corp challenging the people they cover, would we? It should all be rosey pink coverage that never criticizes their positions, ever.

I'd like to see the "second half of the interview" that has yet to be posted by this Rabbi Live fellow.

[Osterbaum]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I mean, seriously? You're saying that the countries where the nazis systematically murdered millions upon milions of jews, you're saying that those are their home?

So I suppose the country where they themselves are murdering people is clearly the better option. Actually, what I really wanted to say was; when did we go back in time? Germany isn't exactly ruled by the National Socialists anymore.

I'd just like to say how messed up it is to call "Germany and Poland" the jewish "home".

I agree with this to the extent that you can't really point out a single country/few countries as the 'home' of all jewish people.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

It was in what appears to be a informal interview, with a website that doesn't really appear to be professional itself. She shouldn't be held to the same standard as she is at a White House Press Conference.

Yes, she should, because how she acts at the former affects how people view her in the latter.

Or you could not insult Smarty, and just ignore his comment?

Probably, but I'm tired of watching the *someone says something perfectly reasonable* *Smarty disagrees because Smarty likes being contrary* *thread derails into a stupid argument about whatever Smarty is being contrary about* game.

Except context is pretty much the most important part. If she expressed these views in her bathroom at three in the morning, you're not expecting her to act like a professional, and if she's in a much more relaxed setting, she can't be really held to the standard that she should be held to in a much more official setting.

As far as I know, her bathroom at three in the morning is not a public place. If it is, there are bigger concerns than what she said about Israel. (Not really) When you are a public figure, people judge you by what you do in public. She willingly participated in a public show where she said something that would reflect poorly upon her as she performed her job. People judge people by their actions. Shocker, I know, but they do. You can't pretend they don't, and you can't slap a "Doesn't count!" sticker on situations like this.

Except her viewpoints weren't fucking racist. Do you seriously believe that bullshit?

I never really said they were. Archie argued that if a standard isn't enforced in every situation, then no standard exists. I offered a counter-example. Simple as that.