Pokemon Umbral Discussion 30: Less and Less About Pokemon Each Day

[Geminex]

You underestimate Impact, my friend. His desire, his dedication to bossing you all around goes far beyond mere unconciousness! Even death cannot stop him from telling you what to do!

He'll probably be all like: "God that hurts. Disable the tanks, heal Harliette. Get me out of the line of fire. Focus Fire on Wildfire. I am going to go sleep now. Bye bye. And remember to watch out for the duck."

Only more pain, and less coherence.

[Dracorion]

He's supposed to be unconscious too.

And, y'know, on fire.

[Geminex]

Burnt. Not on fire. Difference.

And besides, he's in no fit state to fight. Not necessarily dead to the world. Perhaps at the edge of conciousness.

[Dracorion]

Right, so he's only got like fourth-degree burns all over. That's nothing, right?

Perhaps, you say. But I think it's far more likely that he is, in fact, knocked out.

Remember back at the mansion when Impact was defeated by Phantomere's death clock? Yeah, that kinda deadsies.

[Geminex]

That's certainly a possibility. And I certainly invite you to do that with Pierce whenever he's out-of-battle. But alas, this is my character. I shall characterize his having-zero-hp-ness however I desire.

And besides, I question "unable to fight" meaning "unconcious" in general. I mean, it makes sense for pokemon, but what about a battle master? What when they get to zero HP? They'd still be able to give their pokemon orders, I think. And no, I don't think that said pokemon should go rogue, that'd be utter BS.

And same for Impact, I think. Unable to fight, yes. But there's nothing that defines his state of conciousness.

So no, Pierce doesn't get to give orders. Honestly, just stop trying.

[Dracorion]

Never!

I'm pretty sure when a Battle Master or Legion Mage or Battle Rogue or whatever is defeated, their pokemon go rogue. Defeated meaning zero HP.

It's happened so far to all the Battle Masters and Legion Mages we've fought, anyway. And remember when Rayleen got bitchslapped to the hospital back at the bank? Her pokemon went rogue. And she was clearly unconscious, probably in critical condition (medically I mean, not in the red like the games).

When a trainer goes down and their pokemon go rogue, the pokemon would still have to work with the formation. That is to say, all six pokemon won't be able to fight at once because that's not going to fit. Like back at the bank, when Registeel took up a spot and the rest of Rayleen's pokemon just sat back. Also, remember when Pierce's pseudo-legendaries force-deployed back at the party? They didn't all just jump in and start beating on Lexhur. There was only one spot open.

Of course, I'm pretty sure that only applies to allies. I wouldn't put it past AB to make it so that when an enemy trainer goes down all their pokemon join in the fight, formation be damned.

[Geminex]

I'm pretty sure when a Battle Master or Legion Mage or Battle Rogue or whatever is defeated, their pokemon go rogue. Defeated meaning zero HP.

Well, depends how we characterize "defeated". I mean, zero HP, yes. But what does that actually indicate? The only in-game sign is that the individual can no longer fight. It's up to each player to choose what "defeated" means. And the way I see it, "inability to fight" does not equate to "inability to do anything at all". Particuarly since, in-game, knocked out pokemon could do pretty much anything but fight. HM moves worked. Pick-up, the power, worked.
So yeah, what I propose is that:
0 HP for pokemon: Unconcious, dead if rogues
0 HP for humans: Heavily wounded, unable to fight or use items, but able to interact, move, etc...

And yeah. Why the fuck would pokemon go rouge over a defeated battle master? Going rogue is a mechanism designed to protect a defenseless trainer. Neither battle masters nor legion mages are defenseless. They enter battle on their own volition.
I mean, if the battle master is at 0 HP and gets attacked again, then yes. If it's a defenseless trainer, yes. But really, it's not plausible any other way. And stop trying to argue that it should be, because I really do not care about should-be unless you can enforce it. Same as with that highly regrettable PM.

[Dracorion]

I'm pretty sure unable to fight means defenseless. Especially because it also implies being unable to move. Or at least, anyone we've seen defeated so far hasn't just gotten up and limped away.

I mean, I'm sure they could if it was dramatically appropriate for them to do so. Like "WE'LL MEET AGAIN" kind of way. But that's pretty much only reserved for enemies.

Hey, that "highly regrettable" PM was actually a lot of fun.

And anyway, it's pretty much up to AB to enforce it. Meaning it is very much so possible.

[Geminex]

Yes, they're defenseless when they're unable to fight. But pokemon don't go rogue when their masters are defenseless, they go rogue when their defenseless masters get attacked.

And I very much doubt AB will tell me how to roleplay Impact's unable-to-fight-ness. But hey, you can always try! Perhaps you will be sucessful! And then perhaps I will spout marshmallow wings and lead the pudding people to find the candy-cane promised land!

Perhaps it may have been fun. I am still uncertain. Let me re-read it.
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wow
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I'd insult your intelligence, but words fail me. Hey, Bard, cover for me?

[Menarker]

Can I just mention one thing wrong with the plan?

Milsha is PIERCE'S enforcer, not Impact's. Kurika is the one that would end up being switched out.

Also, I didn't know that we could have Lexhur attack more than once, provided that he had enough rage. In that case, I opt we not attack this turn, In case even more reinforcement comes. Then we can use Grill Gore on one target that we can't or don't want to deal with, and knock it away for two turns, while using the Laser on the same turn.

>_> Can we use Helping Hand on Lexhur's Laser?