There and Back Again: A Hobbit's Thread - Page 4

rpgdemon · 04-26-2011, 01:43 PM

Another thing: I question why they can't show 24 vs 48 FPS outside a theatre. It's not like projectors are the only things that have a framerate, and all other movies are magically frameless.

RickZarber · 04-26-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

Speaking as an art student with zero familiarity with film, scaling down from 48 fps to 24 doesn't seem too different in concept than scaling from a larger image size to a smaller with the same ratio (like a 1024x1024 image going down to 512x512). It's not a perfect analogy, but it's the first way my brain could process the thought.

Yeah, sort of! Just instead of using digital processing to eliminate pixels, it's eliminating half of the frames.

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Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

I'm guessing Blu-ray might just use the 48 fps master, since it's the nicer looking of the two and since it sounds like the frame rate issue is mostly limited to issues with physical movie projectors. Since Blu-ray's all digital to begin with, it doesn't have a problem.

Yeah, presuming non-3D HD home theaters are capable of projecting 48fps. 3D HDTVs already do that, with half of the frames for one eye, and the other half for the other. It's probably just a matter of a firmware update to project that framerate without the 3D glasses synchronization in effect. (How it will work for the 3DBD is another matter entirely.) But yeah, as for non-3D systems, I wonder how it'll work.

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

And there's no reason that the Bluray couldn't be both, really. I'd imagine there's enough space on the disc for it, considering that it would literally be the same frames again.

Well, if the Hobbit movies are ~180min films like the TE LOTR films were, maybe not! Not if you want a good bitrate on your Blu-ray. And since it sounds like the 24fps master will include digitally extrapolated frames, rather than just half of the 48fps frames, it would actually be about 3x the data of a normal film! So I would imagine it will be one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

This is like Metropolis all over again which is a pain in the ass to watch these days without it seeming weirdly paced/music disjointed. Though that one is a case of we don't even know what frame rate it is supposed to be at.

Hm, yeah... I wonder what this process will mean for the soundtrack guys? Will the 24fps master require miniscule tweaks to some of the timings in the score/SFX?

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Another thing: I question why they can't show 24 vs 48 FPS outside a theatre. It's not like projectors are the only things that have a framerate, and all other movies are magically frameless.

How do you mean?

Professor Smarmiarty · 04-26-2011, 02:21 PM

Well for Metropolis there are multiple soundtracks depending on which framerate version you are watching but being a silent movie they don't have to sync up speech and such so its less of a problem. If they release Hobbit on multiple frame rates the sound guys will probably have to do double the work?

RickZarber · 04-26-2011, 03:32 PM

Well, since the length of the movie will be the same, maybe not double, but I wonder if there won't be slight adjustments necessary to compensate for the extrapolation process.

Metropolis, of course, is much more complicated. (Here's a link explaining things, for those of you who don't know what Smarty's talking about.)

rpgdemon · 04-26-2011, 03:48 PM

What I mean is this: They -can- show video demonstration of the 48 FPS and 24 FPS movies, on a computer screen. At bare minimum, computer monitors refresh at 60 hz, which is 12 hz more than they need. Twelve whole huzz.

Shyria Dracnoir · 07-22-2011, 02:48 AM

Production Diary 2 and Diary 3 are up.

Got some Dorfs Here as well.

EDIT: Actor Confirmation for Smaug and the Necromancer

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Originally Posted by Wikiattack for the Uninformed

Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch (born 19 July 1976) is an English film, television, and theatre actor. His most acclaimed roles include: Stephen Hawking in the BBC drama Hawking (2004); William Pitt in the historical film Amazing Grace (2006); the protagonist Stephen Ezard in the miniseries thriller The Last Enemy (2008); Paul Marshall in Atonement (2007); Bernard in Small Island (2009); and Sherlock Holmes in the modern BBC adaptation series Sherlock (2010). He will also be the voices of both Smaug the Dragon and the Necromancer in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.

RickZarber · 07-22-2011, 04:47 AM

DWARVES!

(click for hi-res)

stefan · 07-22-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RickZarber

DWARVES!

(click for hi-res)

hold the fucking phone, does the third dwarf from the right have a piece of an axe sticking out of his head?

Shyria Dracnoir · 07-22-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stefan

hold the fucking phone, does the third dwarf from the right have a piece of an axe sticking out of his head?

That he does. And you know he's a real dwarf because he does not give a fuck about it.

Archbio · 07-23-2011, 01:13 AM

Don't trust the dwarf on the far right! He's a vampire. Or a junkie... I forget which.

04-26-2011, 01:43 PM	#31
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Another thing: I question why they can't show 24 vs 48 FPS outside a theatre. It's not like projectors are the only things that have a framerate, and all other movies are magically frameless. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

04-26-2011, 03:32 PM	#34
RickZarber Please Be Well Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,715	Well, since the length of the movie will be the same, maybe not double, but I wonder if there won't be slight adjustments necessary to compensate for the extrapolation process. Metropolis, of course, is much more complicated. (Here's a link explaining things, for those of you who don't know what Smarty's talking about.) __________________ Twitter / Art Tumblr / Personal Tumblr

04-26-2011, 03:48 PM	#35
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	What I mean is this: They -can- show video demonstration of the 48 FPS and 24 FPS movies, on a computer screen. At bare minimum, computer monitors refresh at 60 hz, which is 12 hz more than they need. Twelve whole huzz. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-22-2011, 04:47 AM	#37
RickZarber Please Be Well Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,715	DWARVES! (click for hi-res) __________________ Twitter / Art Tumblr / Personal Tumblr

07-23-2011, 01:13 AM	#40
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	Don't trust the dwarf on the far right! He's a vampire. Or a junkie... I forget which. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.

04-26-2011, 02:21 PM	#33
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Well for Metropolis there are multiple soundtracks depending on which framerate version you are watching but being a silent movie they don't have to sync up speech and such so its less of a problem. If they release Hobbit on multiple frame rates the sound guys will probably have to do double the work?

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