Prometheus

[RickZarber]

Which is a great theory and I really dig it actually, but still doesn't do anything to explain the apparent contradiction with the opening scene of an Engineer drinking black slime in order to seed a world. I mean, yeah, I guess he could be infecting a world instead, but that doesn't seem to hold with the barren lifeless landscapes or what Ridley has said about it.

And Lumen, I hope I didn't seem to be suggesting anything else but that it's just a theory.

[Lumenskir]

Which is a great theory and I really dig it actually, but still doesn't do anything to explain the apparent contradiction with the opening scene of an Engineer drinking black slime in order to seed a world. I mean, yeah, I guess he could be infecting a world instead, but that doesn't seem to hold with the barren lifeless landscapes or what Ridley has said about it.

Isn't that easily explained by saying that they're two different liquids? I mean, the Gardener had a small capsule which had a rock in it, the weaponized slime was in vases/was more eggy.

And Lumen, I hope I didn't seem to be suggesting anything else but that it's just a theory.

I wasn't saying anything about you specifically, just a grain of salt warning from someone who was deep in the shit. Mostly it's just annoying seeing all of this "Scott said there was a Space Jesus, this movie blows!!" when all he said was that they considered it and the final product doesn't implicate that at all. It's like hearing that the original plan for the Flux Capacitor was to power it with Coca Cola and being disappointed in the actual Back to the Future movie even when that's never mentioned.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I still can't get over the fact that this movie showed what amounted to an on-screen abortion. Sure, it didn't work out too well but holy shit. This movie did some shit that I did not think a major studio movie was allowed to do.

[EVILNess]

Maybe the opening was a suicide of some kind?

[Lumenskir]

I still can't get over the fact that this movie showed what amounted to an on-screen abortion. Sure, it didn't work out too well but holy shit. This movie did some shit that I did not think a major studio movie was allowed to do.

So we're all agreed that the staples were the most off putting thing in the entire movie, right?

[BloodyMage]

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

Counterpoint from a huge Lost fan: Just because someone has the time to write out all of their theories and connections doesn't mean it's in any way official. This goes both for superfans and creators, since if they couldn't find a way to incorporate it into the actual product it's just their unofficial musings.

Apart from all the things they confirmed in podcasts and interviews? There are people who are willing to discount what the writers said so they can believe what they think is a better story but the writers did confirm a lot of things about side issues that maybe wouldn't have been entirely covered in the main series. Honestly, if you just watch the show and don't play the interactive games or watch the webisodes, you'd miss a lot of background stuff and maybe missed out on some clarification.

Regardless of whether Engineer Jesus was actually in the film or not, we basically have it on record that Scott is saying we pissed off the Engineers by killing one of them. And, I'm not even annoyed at it's on the nose. I'm annoyed because that idea doesn't fit in with any thing biblical that we know about Jesus. It was a little bit like Scott thought of the biggest part of Christianity and just made it an alien. Just because it's not in the film doesn't mean Scott didn't blatantly think it was a good, interesting idea. Which makes me think he has even less idea about what he's doing with this franchise than I did before I read the article.

And this is coming from a fellow Lost fan.

Originally Posted by RickZarber

Which is a great theory and I really dig it actually, but still doesn't do anything to explain the apparent contradiction with the opening scene of an Engineer drinking black slime in order to seed a world. I mean, yeah, I guess he could be infecting a world instead, but that doesn't seem to hold with the barren lifeless landscapes or what Ridley has said about it.

It's not a theory. It was proven in Alien3 with the dog/ox variants.

[Lumenskir]

Apart from all the things they confirmed in podcasts and interviews? There are people who are willing to discount what the writers said so they can believe what they think is a better story but the writers did confirm a lot of things about side issues that maybe wouldn't have been entirely covered in the main series. Honestly, if you just watch the show and don't play the interactive games or watch the webisodes, you'd miss a lot of background stuff and maybe missed out on some clarification.

Ehhh, I followed Lost perfectly fine by just watching the show, which is really the most important thing to consider. I can't imagine that future watchers of the show will be tracking down past podcasts and playing along with the ARGs while bingeing on Netflix, and when people catch Prometheus on HBO during a lazy afternoon eight years from now they won't have every interview scrolling on the bottom of the screen.

I think it's perfectly fine that Scott has his own interpretation of Space Jesus, but he also made the conscious choice to not include it in the final product. Hence, it's not canon, just fanon from someone close to it.

[BloodyMage]

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

Ehhh, I followed Lost perfectly fine by just watching the show, which is really the most important thing to consider. I can't imagine that future watchers of the show will be tracking down past podcasts and playing along with the ARGs while bingeing on Netflix, and when people catch Prometheus on HBO during a lazy afternoon eight years from now they won't have every interview scrolling on the bottom of the screen.

I'm not saying you can't follow it without the other stuff because the games and podcasts don't really touch on character drama and immediate plot concerns like 'Is Henry Gale an Other?' or 'Who is the coffin?' But listening to podcasts and webisodes and the such did a lot to clarify a lot of things. And they're still accessible, so it's possible that, after seeing an episode on Netflix, someone might go looking for extra information about it's development and find the podcasts.

But if you compare that podcast to a forum post such as this or a review, which is the viewer really going to accept as being truer to the material and apart of canon? The podcast from the mouth of the writers or the opinion of another viewer who had nothing to do with the show's conceptuality and development.

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

I think it's perfectly fine that Scott has his own interpretation of Space Jesus, but he also made the conscious choice to not include it in the final product. Hence, it's not canon, just fanon from someone close to it.

Except canon isn't dictated by the fans it's dictated by the writer. It's about continuity and who is going to know more about the continuity of a series? Me or the writer/creator? Unless he later turns around and says 'oh, no, that was rubbish, I thought of a better idea', then that is the official reason that the engineers turned on humanity. Anything else is us, the fans, creating a fanon.

And besides, just because Scott didn't include it in this film doesn't mean it won't come up later. He's expressed in interviews that questions were left unanswered that could be explain in a sequel, so Space Jesus might still pop up. You can have your own interpretation but that is fanon. If Scott says something then that's canon.

[Lumenskir]

And besides, just because Scott didn't include it in this film doesn't mean it won't come up later. He's expressed in interviews that questions were left unanswered that could be explain in a sequel, so Space Jesus might still pop up. You can have your own interpretation but that is fanon. If Scott says something then that's canon.

If it comes up later in a movie connected to this one, it's canon. If he says it was something they considered but didn't include in the actual product, it's just his interpretation. To me, anything outside of what you can see in the theater is all just conjecture; Scott might be more persuasive, but not authoritative, otherwise he could have included it in the actual movie he was responsible for curating.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

Ehhh, I followed Lost perfectly fine by just watching the show, which is really the most important thing to consider. I can't imagine that future watchers of the show will be tracking down past podcasts and playing along with the ARGs while bingeing on Netflix, and when people catch Prometheus on HBO during a lazy afternoon eight years from now they won't have every interview scrolling on the bottom of the screen.

As someone that watched all of Lost on Netflix this year, it works just fine without any of that stuff. Definitely my favorite TV series ever which is the entire reason I was interested in seeing Prometheus opening weekend (Scott has been hit-or-miss with his last few films).

I think we should all be able to agree that something is only canon once it shows up onscreen. Explanations given by the director/writer or the theories provided by fans mean nothing until they're put on celluloid because that's the only time it counts. George Lucas changed his mind a lot when making all of the Star Wars movies.