Mafia: Basic

[Silly Kitty]

Hm, I did forget the vig didn't have to make a hit. In that case I will Unvote: Big Mac. I just wanted to make sure the town didn't lose it in one night.

Newb, can we get a vote count?

Edit: Also, TWG, who are you to tell the vig what to do? You are a known townie but the vig may have someone else s/he wants to hit.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

I am listening to what you are saying.

But that's 3 ifs.

I suggest we vote for CmP, have the Vig hit Twiddy, and let Newb explain POS and Big Mac.

Or maybe the vig could just sit out tonight if you are that worried. They don't HAVE to make a hit.

But again, we shouldn't have to waste a lynch on inactives. If they are mafia, they should get kicked. And if they aren't, they haven't been helping anyway and we shouldn't waste a lynch on them.

The Wandering God

TWG, you can't wholeheartedly believe the Vig will just follow your and my thoughts and accusations.

I, like you, believe CmP is mafia. His Role seems more of a shoddy excuse(Like I said) and the entire rest of this thread goes to show it.

I believe that Twiddy is mafia. He's BEING a mafiate. Nothing he's done is an excuse. I gave my reasons why in my post.

But the vig may not think the same way. For all we know, the vig could be taking the IHMN route with random kills. But what of the chance that we're wrong?

Surely the Vig will think this(If s/he's an actual active player) through and may disagree.

My vote stays with Twiddy, as CmP has at least the SLIGHTEST of a real excuse where as Twid just seems unprepared and caught off guard.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by Silly Kitty

Edit: Also, TWG, who are you to tell the vig what to do? You are a known townie but the vig may have someone else s/he wants to hit.

You mean like, say, B_real? Who was a townie? Who I thought was a townie?

Ah yes, the vig should make their own decisions. After all, we'd hate for them to be following any sort of consensus. (Who do you think should be hit SK?)

I mean, it's not like another townie agrees with me or anything... Hold on, what's that down there?

Originally Posted by Mesden

TWG, you can't wholeheartedly believe the Vig will just follow your and my thoughts and accusations.

I, like you, believe CmP is mafia. His Role seems more of a shoddy excuse(Like I said) and the entire rest of this thread goes to show it.

I believe that Twiddy is mafia. He's BEING a mafiate. Nothing he's done is an excuse. I gave my reasons why in my post.

But the vig may not think the same way. For all we know, the vig could be taking the IHMN route with random kills. But what of the chance that we're wrong?

Surely the Vig will think this(If s/he's an actual active player) through and may disagree.

My vote stays with Twiddy, as CmP has at least the SLIGHTEST of a real excuse where as Twid just seems unprepared and caught off guard.

No, I don't know what the vig will do. But that doesn't mean I can't make suggestions. Or point to the arguments that I've made that have managed to convince another townie (you) that they are guilty.

Let's take a look at my track record:
Catlover: thought he was guilty
Mesden: after back and forth, I thought you were innocent (before you were revealed)
B_real: Thought he was a townie
Ogianres: Mistake here, I thought he could be mafia

That's 3 out of 4 correct. As compared to say... CmP, who is 0 for 4 for those very same people.

That's why I feel that I can make suggestions. And as to the current two major suspects, you (another townie) agree with me. Why shouldn't the vig be willing to believe not one, but two people who are innocent?

And yes, we could be wrong. Of course, anyone could be wrong. But if we are too paralyzed to do anything, the mafia has already won.

But think about it this way... Maybe we're right. If CmP and Twiddy are both mafiates, that leaves just 2 to find, with a little bit more breathing room to do so.

So, we can play it safe, or not. But I guess it really is up to the vig.

I wish there was a vote count so I could see where things stack up.

The Wandering God

[CallmePrismatic]

Yeah, some clarification by Newb on how inactive-dropkicking works would be appreciated at this juncture.

However, I think there's a pretty good chance that the inactives are mafia, although it involves me speculating on how Newb is thinking.

What is one of the reasons you wouldn't kick out an inactive player? Because they have a role. BUT, plenty of people with roles have dropped out and they have merely been reassigned. Of course, that might be due to the fact that the people involved requested a drop out, while we're stuck assuming the inactives are not communicating both in-game nor with Newb.

Anyways, assuming Newb hasn't kicked them out due to the fact that they have roles, we have to look at what roles there are. We can assume that the Vig is someone who's at least semi-active because they could only have gotten the role by paying attention the thread and contacting Newb. The Doc is dead, and likewise the SK. That leaves the PO and Reporter, and mafia roles. I'm going to assume the Reporter is someone who pays attention to the thread because he/she has investigated Mes and TWG, two-thirds of the most active player trinity.

That leaves the PO and mafia roles. Since Newb hasn't said anything further about people not PMing roles, we have to assume that the PO has been active, at least at Night, and to make any decisions they would have had to read the thread for a vague sense of who to investigate, and thus would see all of the doubt over inactive players and chime in. A vast majority of the mafia, however, have no compulsion to post in the game thread or PM Newb, and benefit when no undue attention is paid to them.

Of course, all of this depends entirely on the assumption that the only reason inactive players haven't been kicked off is because they have a role. That's why, until Newb ever lets us in on his plan, I'm going to keep my vote on Mac.

On the topic of my 'fake' role claim...look around. This is the first game using non-traditional roles (No offense Mes, but your Chi was essentially a versatile SK). Somebody is the Reporter, Ogian was a Role Watcher, TWG has some sort of Doc-calling capability...just because you've never heard of the role before doesn't mean I had to have made it up.

On the other hand, if you think I made it up because it couldn't be verified, that's false. Let the PO or Reporter waste a Night investigating me. Although, to indulge in some Mesden-esque "If I were a mafiate" pondering, a mafiate who wants to fake-claim would probably say they were the PO. At that point the real PO would be forced to step up, and even if the mafiate died he would have succeeded in getting the PO to show himself.

I also want to touch on something SK inadvertently spoke of: The Vig. At this point, each miss that hits a townie is practically handing the game to the mafia. Unless a PO comes forth and says with undeniable proof that so-and-so is a mafiate, sending a silver bullet off of a hunch is detrimental to the town.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

You mean like, say, B_real? Who was a townie? Who I thought was a townie?

Ah yes, the vig should make their own decisions. After all, we'd hate for them to be following any sort of consensus. (Who do you think should be hit SK?)

I mean, it's not like another townie agrees with me or anything... Hold on, what's that down there?


No, I don't know what the vig will do. But that doesn't mean I can't make suggestions. Or point to the arguments that I've made that have managed to convince another townie (you) that they are guilty.

Let's take a look at my track record:
Catlover: thought he was guilty
Mesden: after back and forth, I thought you were innocent (before you were revealed)
B_real: Thought he was a townie
Ogianres: Mistake here, I thought he could be mafia

That's 3 out of 4 correct. As compared to say... CmP, who is 0 for 4 for those very same people.

That's why I feel that I can make suggestions. And as to the current two major suspects, you (another townie) agree with me. Why shouldn't the vig be willing to believe not one, but two people who are innocent?

And yes, we could be wrong. Of course, anyone could be wrong. But if we are too paralyzed to do anything, the mafia has already won.

But think about it this way... Maybe we're right. If CmP and Twiddy are both mafiates, that leaves just 2 to find, with a little bit more breathing room to do so.

So, we can play it safe, or not. But I guess it really is up to the vig.

I wish there was a vote count so I could see where things stack up.

The Wandering God

I'm almost OFFENDED by this, TWG. Let me show you one part.

Or point to the arguments that I've made that have managed to convince another townie (you) that they are guilty.

No, you have NOT convinced me of ONE thing. I've ONLY followed my own chord, gave my own reasons. Not follow yours. I don't follow ANYONE. I was the person who brought suspicion on CmP in the first place(I'll go dig the POST out where I was the first to say it and the others where I formed my OWN opinions.).

Twiddy, yes, you did bring the light on him. But didn't I ARGUE against some of your points and then MADE my ENTIRE own reason for voting? One that had little to do with what you said?

Yeah, no one has convinced me of anything. I've convinced myself.

I may "Agree" with you, but not because of anything you've said. Don't make it look like we're tag team buddies here. You went to CmP after I proved myself good in your eyes and him bad. I went for Twiddy with my OWN reasons. Got that?

As far as the vig, you said yourself, known townies AREN'T infalliable. You know what a VIGILANTE is? It's someone who works by themselves to bring justice by their own opinion. This is why in game 2 I didn't vote for IHMN, because he was being a vig in his own way.

It IS the Vig's choice. YOU are not always right, no matter the track record. The vig may not want to state who he thinks is guilty because, hey, when he KILLS them at night, the mafia will look at HIM.

Think about that, please. Also, don't assume anything about me. My "Agreement" is merely mutual concern for different reasons. I'll NEVER be the person who says, "Vote: Someone because of those things other people stated."

[POS Industries]

I cast my vote for POS Industries. That fucker's up to something, I just know it.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by Mesden

I'm almost OFFENDED by this, TWG. Let me show you one part.

No, you have NOT convinced me of ONE thing. I've ONLY followed my own chord, gave my own reasons. Not follow yours. I don't follow ANYONE. I was the person who brought suspicion on CmP in the first place(I'll go dig the POST out where I was the first to say it and the others where I formed my OWN opinions.).

Twiddy, yes, you did bring the light on him. But didn't I ARGUE against some of your points and then MADE my ENTIRE own reason for voting? One that had little to do with what you said?

Yeah, no one has convinced me of anything. I've convinced myself.

I may "Agree" with you, but not because of anything you've said. Don't make it look like we're tag team buddies here. You went to CmP after I proved myself good in your eyes and him bad. I went for Twiddy with my OWN reasons. Got that?

As far as the vig, you said yourself, known townies AREN'T infalliable. You know what a VIGILANTE is? It's someone who works by themselves to bring justice by their own opinion. This is why in game 2 I didn't vote for IHMN, because he was being a vig in his own way.

It IS the Vig's choice. YOU are not always right, no matter the track record. The vig may not want to state who he thinks is guilty because, hey, when he KILLS them at night, the mafia will look at HIM.

Think about that, please. Also, don't assume anything about me. My "Agreement" is merely mutual concern for different reasons. I'll NEVER be the person who says, "Vote: Someone because of those things other people stated."

Well, I assure you, I didn't intend to offend you. But I do wish you wouldn't be quite so caustic. I didn't realize I was quite such bad company. I'll be sure to remember that.

But actually, your points only emphasize what I was trying to say.

2 independant lines of thought arrived at the same conclusion. Doesn't that mean something to you?

And the Vig is a TOWNIE first and foremost. They are NOT the serial killer. If they aren't going after who the town (Who basically consists of you and me being confirmed innocent) thinks is guilty, they are dangerous. Just because you didn't vote for IHMN, didn't make him any less so. And since we only have one death to judge our new Vig by (a townie) I don't entirely trust their line of thinking. Can you blame me?

And if I'm so incredibly stupid, please ignore my posts for the insane ramblings you take them to be from now on, as they apparently mean nothing to you.

The Wandering God

[Mesden]

Now time to be the disecting surgeon.

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Well, I assure you, I didn't intend to offend you. But I do wish you wouldn't be quite so caustic. I didn't realize I was quite such bad company. I'll be sure to remember that.

Gald you didn't intend to, but I told you why.

But actually, your points only emphasize what I was trying to say.

...WHAT?!? I'm emphasizing you? how did I EMPHASIZE your points on CmP? I'm QUITE sure that you came after me and that if ANYTHING you were emphasizing me.

Oh, and on Twiddy, I haven't said I agreed or supported any of your points. Argued some I did.

2 independant lines of thought arrived at the same conclusion. Doesn't that mean something to you?

No, it doesn't. We had similar eyes for scum. This doesn't make us the same and never will. Mutual interest does not allies make. Mutual allignment, sure. Doesn't mean I'll ever believe you like you so wholeheartedly did with me.

And the Vig is a TOWNIE first and foremost. They are NOT the serial killer.

They are if they want to be. Their role, not yours. Remember that.

If they aren't going after who the town (Who basically consists of you and me being confirmed innocent) thinks is guilty, they are dangerous.

Or they're right. The MEANING of a vig is someone who works by themselves, forming justice as they see fit. They can be considered saviors or murderers. S/he could have insight we don't know of and that they don't want to share because it draws unwanted eyes to them.

Just because you didn't vote for IHMN, didn't make him any less so.

Make him any less dangerous? No, had he not been just a BIT forgetful, the town would have had a much earier time winning. He randomly targetted a mafia and forgot when it came to night time. He'd have been a savior first. I'll have you remember even the most unorthodox of strategies can be the best for the time.

And since we only have one death to judge our new Vig by (a townie) I don't entirely trust their line of thinking. Can you blame me?

Oh, one kill definitely condemns how smart they are. If you wanted me to, I could run down a line of reasons why B_Real was scum, though he wasn't. The same could be said for everything we're saying RIGHT now about CmP and Twiddy.

And if I'm so incredibly stupid, please ignore my posts for the insane ramblings you take them to be from now on, as they apparently mean nothing to you.

The Wandering God

I not once called you stupid. I actually think you're a rather bright individual and player.

But right now, you're running off of a "Holier than thou" attitude. It's upsetting some people. I, for one, don't like your needless over agression, which you're only allowed to live with because of your revealation.

Tone it down a bit, don't assume things about me and stop acting infalliable. Whether you think you are or not, it's true. Other people in and outside the game have informed me about this(Not cheating, just saying how you were acting.).

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Now time to be the disecting surgeon.

Ah yes, because I'm someone ill and in need of special care. (Yes I'm aware of you saying that because you are splitting my post up, but the terminology is still there.) Now let me cut your post up-I mean respond.

Gald you didn't intend to, but I told you why.

Yes, you told me that you didn't want to have any association with me whatsoever, that's what you told me. Because as we all know, we shouldn't be working together at all. And it's certainly not like I've tried to make several suggestions and then go on to ASK THE REST OF THE TOWN WHAT IT THOUGHT. Yes, how egocentric of me. Obviously, I have all the power and am running the show.

...WHAT?!? I'm emphasizing you? how did I EMPHASIZE your points on CmP? I'm QUITE sure that you came after me and that if ANYTHING you were emphasizing me.

This is what happens when you cut up posts. You run the risk of taking things out of context. But to spell it out for you, you said that we couldn't be sure of anything. But outside of PO or reporter, what more could it possibly take to convince people that CmP and Twiddy are mafiates? We have two known townies thinking this. That one simply isn't agreeing with the other is what emphasizes it.

Oh, and on Twiddy, I haven't said I agreed or supported any of your points. Argued some I did.

Yes, because they are obviously the insame ramblings of a blathering idiot. Unlike you, who are so very clever, and can figure things out all on her own. You don't need anyone else.

No, it doesn't. We had similar eyes for scum. This doesn't make us the same and never will. Mutual interest does not allies make. Mutual allignment, sure. Doesn't mean I'll ever believe you like you so wholeheartedly did with me.

No, we obviously aren't the same. Unlike you, I actually take what others say into consideration. And can you name one time, ONE FUCKING TIME, when I agreed wholeheartedly with you without giving any reasons of my own? I have never said "I'm voting for them because Mesden is". The only remark you can possibly be pulling that from is when I said I'd follow your lead. I never said I'd do exactly as you did or that I would believe your word was the holy gospel.

They are if they want to be. Their role, not yours. Remember that.

No, no, NO, NO! They are a TOWNIE. If the town loses, they lose. If they are killing townies left and right, the town ends up losing. We are in it together. They are NOT the serial killer. What the hell is wrong with you? This is not up for discussion. What I just said was fact. Might I remind you that they were a townie before they ever laid hands upon that gun?

Or they're right. The MEANING of a vig is someone who works by themselves, forming justice as they see fit. They can be considered saviors or murderers. S/he could have insight we don't know of and that they don't want to share because it draws unwanted eyes to them.

Yes, because they obviously could figure out who was mafia with their first kill. Oh wait, nevermind. B_Real was a townie. That insight was pretty frickin' valuable wasn't it?

Make him any less dangerous? No, had he not been just a BIT forgetful, the town would have had a much earier time winning. He randomly targetted a mafia and forgot when it came to night time. He'd have been a savior first. I'll have you remember even the most unorthodox of strategies can be the best for the time.

Or the worst. Noone thinks random voting is the way to go. At best, it simply is something you do on the first day or night before you see how things go.

Oh, one kill definitely condemns how smart they are. If you wanted me to, I could run down a line of reasons why B_Real was scum, though he wasn't. The same could be said for everything we're saying RIGHT now about CmP and Twiddy.

No, but it does confirm that maybe they aren't the best judge of who to kill. Are you trying to say B_Real isn't any less dead? Because he is. And the list's of reasons for CmP and Twiddy would probably outweigh those.

And again, I never thought he was a mafiate.

I not once called you stupid. I actually think you're a rather bright individual and player.

It was when you basically said, "I don't agree with anything you said", that I pretty much took it to mean my words mean nothing to you. Of course, you don't actually address the ignoring part.

But right now, you're running off of a "Holier than thou" attitude. It's upsetting some people. I, for one, don't like your needless over agression, which you're only allowed to live with because of your revealation.

No, right now, I'm running off of a "completely pissed off that so many people have dropped out" attitude. And you can add "continually ignored" to that. Also, "extreme frustation at the lack of people to see the logic I use."

And I'm agressive because
A) I feel it's what the situation calls for. Mafiates can always say, "Why are you being so aggresive?" and point the finger at their accuser.
however
B) I'm a townie now. It only allows me to fully conduct the hunt for the mafiates in our presence. It doesn't confer any special powers but the ability for others to know it's the voice of a townie speaking.

Tone it down a bit, don't assume things about me and stop acting infalliable. Whether you think you are or not, it's true. Other people in and outside the game have informed me about this(Not cheating, just saying how you were acting.).

I never said I was infallible. I did, however, say this is the best chance we have. Indecisivness led to a townie's lynching. I won't make that same mistake again. And my dear lady, "don't assume things"? Maybe we should just go by different names, "Pot" and "Kettle".

And I just love your super-secret clubs and little whisper groups. You KNOW how I feel about those. I guess I just have my own little sense of judgement to go by. Must be damn nice to have the input of others.

And as much as you tell me not to tell the vig how to act, I'm surpised at the hypocrisy that you are trying to say, "Don't act that way."

The Wandering God

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Ah yes, because I'm someone ill and in need of special care. (Yes I'm aware of you saying that because you are splitting my post up, but the terminology is still there.) Now let me cut your post up-I mean respond.

Sadly, this was the only real light note in my post. It was sarcasm and you're taking a bit of an overzealous route here.

Yes, you told me that you didn't want to have any association with me whatsoever, that's what you told me. Because as we all know, we shouldn't be working together at all. And it's certainly not like I've tried to make several suggestions and then go on to ASK THE REST OF THE TOWN WHAT IT THOUGHT. Yes, how egocentric of me. Obviously, I have all the power and am running the show.

Not that I don't have any association with you. Working together is well and good, but I follow my own beliefs here, TWG. You know as well as I am that I'm fairly independent in my ideas and thinking. You're not asking the rest of the town, by the way.

You're TELLING the vig what to do. That's not asking the rest of the town. You're SAYING that you're going to get Twiddy killed next. That's not asking the town, though it holds the capacity to do so.

This is what happens when you cut up posts. You run the risk of taking things out of context. But to spell it out for you, you said that we couldn't be sure of anything. But outside of PO or reporter, what more could it possibly take to convince people that CmP and Twiddy are mafiates? We have two known townies thinking this. That one simply isn't agreeing with the other is what emphasizes it.

We aren't in REAL disagreement, honestly. Just, like you said, two paths to the same destination. I'm not going to emphasize your points because you could be every bit as wrong as I am, but I know it's my fault when I make a mistake. Not someone else's. That's why I make my own points.

Yes, because they are obviously the insame ramblings of a blathering idiot. Unlike you, who are so very clever, and can figure things out all on her own. You don't need anyone else.

I'm not so very clever. I'm not the brightest. Hell, I don't consider myself as smart as you, truth be told. What I do know is that I should do what I think is right so I can't blame it on anyone else. I DO need others. Just not as powerfully as you think. My ideas are worthless without others because no one would hear it.

There's no other logic I can wholeheartedly believe besides my own. It's just how I am because I can't follow another's lead. I need to have my own belief of someone's scum, not your belief.

No, we obviously aren't the same. Unlike you, I actually take what others say into consideration. And can you name one time, ONE FUCKING TIME, when I agreed wholeheartedly with you without giving any reasons of my own? I have never said "I'm voting for them because Mesden is". The only remark you can possibly be pulling that from is when I said I'd follow your lead. I never said I'd do exactly as you did or that I would believe your word was the holy gospel.

Now you're getting a bit harsh towards me. Also, I'll admit I overexaggerated the wholehearted part in the anger I had when making the post. But you did put the hopes of the town on my shoulders for all intents and puposes.

But you did say you would follow my lead. That was enough for me to not accept anything you said and go off on my own.

No, no, NO, NO! They are a TOWNIE. If the town loses, they lose. If they are killing townies left and right, the town ends up losing. We are in it together. They are NOT the serial killer. What the hell is wrong with you? This is not up for discussion. What I just said was fact. Might I remind you that they were a townie before they ever laid hands upon that gun?

Yes, they are a townie. I know this fully. I know the conditions for them winning. That will never change the fact that how they chose to play their role is their choice. Not yours. Remember that.

Yes, because they obviously could figure out who was mafia with their first kill. Oh wait, nevermind. B_Real was a townie. That insight was pretty frickin' valuable wasn't it?

Damn it, TWG. Stop the berating of that. That's like insulting that player. They made a mistake, it happens. That doesn't mean their judgement is automatically horrible.

Or the worst. Noone thinks random voting is the way to go. At best, it simply is something you do on the first day or night before you see how things go.

Some people do. IHMN does. What's your argument in that the Vigilante now doens't think the same? There is no argument. You don't know that person unless you are the vig. Which I'll assume you aren't as you're needlessly insulting that person off one, most likely, honest mistake.


[qupte]No, but it does confirm that maybe they aren't the best judge of who to kill. Are you trying to say B_Real isn't any less dead? Because he is. And the list's of reasons for CmP and Twiddy would probably outweigh those. [/quote]

Maybe not. But who says you and I are? Why should they follow us? There's no guarantee that CmP and Twiddy are mafia.

And again, I never thought he was a mafiate.

Now don't go getting self righteous on us.

It was when you basically said, "I don't agree with anything you said", that I pretty much took it to mean my words mean nothing to you. Of course, you don't actually address the ignoring part.

I told you why I didn't agree with you. I gave reasons and then formed my own opinions. You know why by now. I don't ignore anything. I'm a rather sharp eyed player if I do say so myself.

No, right now, I'm running off of a "completely pissed off that so many people have dropped out" attitude. And you can add "continually ignored" to that. Also, "extreme frustation at the lack of people to see the logic I use."

Then stop playing for a bit. Calm down. Go out for a walk. Play a game. Don't put the anger here. I don't ignore what you said. I just don't chose to follow it. So sue me if I feel like trusting my belief more than yours...Wait a second, isn't that what you're doing too? Choosing what you think over what I think? I believe it is.

And I'm agressive because
A) I feel it's what the situation calls for. Mafiates can always say, "Why are you being so aggresive?" and point the finger at their accuser.

Being agressive is alright. But don't offend people. It's a game. Winning isn't everything you know. You're being OVER aggresive is what I'm trying to say. And you know you can't be convicted for it because you're a townie. Please, I'm asking you as a fellow player, just to calm down a bit.

however

Okay.

B) I'm a townie now. It only allows me to fully conduct the hunt for the mafiates in our presence. It doesn't confer any special powers but the ability for others to know it's the voice of a townie speaking.

Yup. But, I'll refer you to my last statement.(Not the "Okay" one. )

I never said I was infallible. I did, however, say this is the best chance we have. Indecisivness led to a townie's lynching. I won't make that same mistake again. And my dear lady, "don't assume things"? Maybe we should just go by different names, "Pot" and "Kettle".

What you believe is the best chance is not what other believe is the best chance. And, on the assume things part, you are making statements about how I feel which happen to be untrue and borderlining an insult to me.

And I just love your super-secret clubs and little whisper groups. You KNOW how I feel about those. I guess I just have my own little sense of judgement to go by. Must be damn nice to have the input of others.

Oh no, you don't accuse us of cheating. We don't discuss anything about the game. We're mature enough to follow the rules. And by we, I mean Myself, SillyKitty and The Wizard Who Did It. We happen to be friends and talk in Chat8Bit on AOL Instant Messenger. It's not a secret club. We DO talk about how your posts affect the person out of game wise, which is something you seem to be missing in what I said.

You've made people feel bad and upset over a game. This is where everyone needs to calm down and take it as a game.

And as much as you tell me not to tell the vig how to act, I'm surpised at the hypocrisy that you are trying to say, "Don't act that way."

The Wandering God

Now you ARE insulting me. You just called me a hypocrite and to me, this is an insult of one of the highest calibur.

I'm not telling you how to act. I'm asking you, person to person, to PLEASE just tone it down a wee bit as to not upset others. It's not an order, it's a request as a person.

Again, don't assume things about me and insult me. This is a game and saying these things are unnecessary.




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