Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Ugainius]

Okay explanation time:

My vote originally was "Hmm that last few lines there were a bit aggresive better FoS. Hmm, make that a vote I don't like that tone at all, way to aggresive when she was voted. I mean it was Day 1, there was no need to come down on him like the fist of God. So that's why I voted. The more I read through this the more aggresive towards Dem you have become even more aggresive. Sorry if my memory is skewered, but wasn't the last this happened when you had all but won the (Sorry, I can't remember its name )mafia where you were the mafia lover?

It may not be the best explanation but its what went through my mind.

[Moogle0119]

Well I can see where Ugainius is coming from especially considering it seems like everyday we're going to only be left with clues about who we lynch and not know details about the deaths that occur at night. It's like Day 1 all over again, with only a few minor bits of information which doesn't make a whole lot of sense yet.

The whole Pink Bunny/Demetrius thing can also easily be contributed to the fact that they always DO try to kill each other off and from what I've seen Demetrius flat out sucks at it.

Originally Posted by Demetrius

I'm just sick of the Bunny/Me thing that happens in every game.

Seems funny to be saying that after you voted for him, both prior and after he joined the game. Just like Pink Bunny pointed out.

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

If you were sick of it, you wouldn't have voted me in a game I wasn't in, and you certainly wouldn't have voted me after I was attacked. You're making up a new story.

I definitely have to agree. If you're going to offer a truce (that you expect to work) you should do so in the beginning and before you try voting off the person, definitely not afterwards. It also doesn't help the fact that between both of Demetrius's votes on Pink Bunny, Pink Bunny was attacked during the night by a "crazed man". It's not much to go on honestly but with the lack of clues from the night post it's the only real bit of motive I have to agree on.

Vote: Demetrius

[Aerozord]

if its not too much trouble could we get an update on the votes? Looks like there have been alot of changes lately

[Fenris]

Ugainius (5)
Zell
B_Real
Zavage
deathpigeon
DarthMauler64

Demetrius (4)
bananarama
Tendronai
russianreversal
Moogle

deathpigeon (2)
Masked Jedi
Nayno

Pink Bunny (1)
Ugainius

Silly Kitty (1)
OctoberRaven

23 to lynch, deadline is Christmas at 5 PM CST


Also, no you people can't exhume bodies. That would be stupid. Stupids.\

[Demetrius]

I'm sorry Moogle, is there a problem with Day 1 joke votes?

Also the likelihood of a pro-town un-night killable role is very low.

That is why Bunny had my vote, she is scum of one sort or another.

VOTE: PINK BUNNY

If you continue rolling on me, I will be forced to pull out logic and reason to point out the reasons why you are more suspicious than me.

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by Demetrius

I'm sorry Moogle, is there a problem with Day 1 joke votes?

Also the likelihood of a pro-town un-night killable role is very low.

That is why Bunny had my vote, she is scum of one sort or another.

VOTE: PINK BUNNY

If you continue rolling on me, I will be forced to pull out logic and reason to point out the reasons why you are more suspicious than me.

Changing your story again. What happened to that truce you wanted after you tried to off me twice? I think at this point logic and reason would be your best venue now. So nows the time to lie through your teeth.

Also, one would hope anyone casting a vote on any matter would do so after employing logic and reason-- as opposed to casting a vote mindlessly and then later attempting to apply logic.

Did you ever consider that my survivability comes at a price? What's strange in my approach to this that you notice? I think the vote count would show you. I'll give you a hint: The biggest one bringing a case up to getting you lynched hasn't casted a vote. Maybe that has something to do with their survivability, eh?

[Demetrius]

Yeah, because using logic to defend myself involves lying. Please point out where I have lied.

I have not changed my story at all, as for the truce, you quite clearly stated that you would have none of it and continued pushing for my lynch. For me to stand by an already broken agreement is to ask to be killed, and that I will not do.

You are immune to night kills, even at the price of not being able to vote, that points to a scum role. Your increasing attacks on me point to the fact that I am correct in my assumptions that you are not pro-town.

[Pink Bunny]

You lied already. A moment ago you said it was just a day 1 joke vote to Moogle, which the original vote it would be-- that is valid. However, it loses validity and just becomes an evasive argument and nothing more when you try to brush under the rug that you voted for me on day two when I hadn't a chance to say one word on what is recognized as faulty logic.

That is not a joke vote at all.

Also, you proposed a truce after trying to get me killed and after people started looking your way from my fuss. Presumably you've tried to kill me three times now: The joke vote, the crazy old man, and the real vote.

The joke vote by your story is a joke. So we'll say that's two attempts.
I can't confirm completely you're the old man who tried to kill me.
So that narrows it down to one attempt that was solid and intentional no matter how you try to change up your motive.

Also, I never said I was immune to night kills.
You're assuming things. And even if I were immune to night kills, that protects me against scum more often than town. Vigilante's are almost always lesser in number than scum killing roles.

Its being unable to be day lynched that's the real suspicion if you'd like to cast that stone on me. That is a power scum don't tend to get.

Coincidently I haven't been 'increasing my attacks' at all. From post one when I saw what you were intending to do I've pressured you the same as I always have. I do the same thing to anyone. I even did so in LHN's game where I was the Porn Star, and I was most certainly town there. Pressured, locked down arguments is how I often do Mafia, as well as other games such as Zombie Survival. I'm sure Moogle's marine can attest to that.

Because all it takes is one slip up to catch someone.

[Demetrius]

You lied already. A moment ago you said it was just a day 1 joke vote to Moogle, which the original vote it would be-- that is valid. However, it loses validity and just becomes an evasive argument and nothing more when you try to brush under the rug that you voted for me on day two when I hadn't a chance to say one word on what is recognized as faulty logic.

That is not a joke vote at all.

No, I said the original vote was a joke. The second one was on faulty logic, which I admitted to.

Also, you proposed a truce after trying to get me killed and after people started looking your way from my fuss. Presumably you've tried to kill me three times now: The joke vote, the crazy old man, and the real vote.

I proposed a truce after your attack on me.

The joke vote by your story is a joke. So we'll say that's two attempts.
I can't confirm completely you're the old man who tried to kill me.
So that narrows it down to one attempt that was solid and intentional no matter how you try to change up your motive.

The one solid vote is based on logic and was made after your attacks on me which broke any holding the truce may have had.

Also, I never said I was immune to night kills.
You're assuming things. And even if I were immune to night kills, that protects me against scum more often than town. Vigilante's are almost always lesser in number than scum killing roles.

I am assuming nothing.
Most often the mafia has one night kill proof member, and so does the cult.

Coincidently I haven't been 'increasing my attacks' at all. From post one when I saw what you were intending to do I've pressured you the same as I always have. I do the same thing to anyone. I even did so in LHN's game where I was the Porn Star, and I was most certainly town there. Pressured, locked down arguments is how I often do Mafia, as well as other games such as Zombie Survival. I'm sure Moogle's marine can attest to that.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that I did open up with a vote on you, and that you responded as you usually do. That is why I decided to offer a truce. You kept up the pressure so I looked back more closely and made a vote based on what was suspicious.

Because all it takes is one slip up to catch someone.

I agree, however I think that the slip was in the night post. You survived an attack with no other interference. That fact alone makes you scum. Using me as a scapegoat is a tried and true tactic, it works both ways...

Again though, a vote on you makes the most sense based on the facts and clues given in the night post.

Another thing that must be said is that whoever made the attack on you would be wise to sit back and let me take the heat, especially considering our history and my stupid vote on you at the beginning of the day.

[secretskull]

Demetrius, I fail to see why we cannot have a Night-Immune Silent townie, the role would in no way be game breaking, or not fitting the flavor. Of course, rather then killing you, we can kill Ugainius, someone who has thrown his lot in with you, and see what happens with him. His guilt or innocence should hint heavily at who you are aligned to.