Pokémon Umbral Discussion 8: I'll Guard Her Voir! Wait, That Makes No Sense...

[Astral Harmony]

To begin, I'll thank Renny for posting that link to that comic. To be honest, I haven't read 8-bit in years and that's very near the point where I stopped reading.

Secondly, Whitney's resurrection and being an addition to Pierce's imaginary harem is, as I think about it, more and more possible. After all, there's Tsubasa who is a demon that could help make it work. And there are some potent story elements that could change Whitney's personality into something much more agreeable even before she joins.

Now I'm going to work. I'll post as soon as I get home.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Secondly, Whitney's resurrection and being an addition to Pierce's imaginary harem is, as I think about it, more and more possible.

Win.

Win forever.

[Geminex]

In character though, even if Impact was thinking of it first, anyone who was listening to orders would admit that Renny was the one who "came up with the idea first" since he was the first to vocalize it and make it known to everyone else.

Ah, I see how you think. Yes, your point is well-made.

Though once again: There really aren't many situations in which Renny would benefit from claiming "my idea!". I mean, sure, he could take credit for our victory. Highlight his fitness as the team's leader, as opposed to Impact or Pierce. Even try to impress girls with it. You could have Renny do all those things, and they'd be perfectly justified and beneficial to him. Well done Renny.

Of course, Impact knows that it was his idea. And I know that it was my idea. And we tend to bear grudges.

You would be so fucking dead.

And besides, once again, even if he didn't yell about attacking Ruin pokemon, he actually attack the Ruin types, while Renny was still exploiting Kabuto's Dual-Type. Renny has no foot to stand on. Possibly literally.

AND NOW LET US STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS IT IS NO LONGER AMUSING. Though I'd be severely disappointed if one of you didn't pipe up right about now, going "I beg to differ. :J"

And enjoy your silly harem antics while you still can. My demonic powers are gonna be all about mind control. And everyone knows, if there's one good way to get a harem, it's mind control.

And I usually prefer to identify myself with BM, but Thief is acceptable. What with all the hidden agendas and ambitions of leadership and being heir to a nation of elves. What? Impact totally is. Just forgot to mention it in my bio.

[Dracorion]

I beg to differ.

AB wouldn't let you have full-on mind control. Probably subtle manipulation of one person at a time. Or perhaps mild mind control (as in can be shaken off with enough effort, as in make the person do something that is completely against everything they believe in), again only one person at a time. So you could get ONE girl for your harem and the minute you got knocked out or distracted she would snap out of it and kick you in the balls.

... What? You thought I was going to argue about the idea thingy? Hell no, that got boring fast.

[Geminex]

What good would it do to have control over just one person? No, I'm aiming for full-on, speak-to-the-crowds, lead-a-people-to-war kind of mind control. And how would that be too powerful? This'll be my second upgrade. I'd remind you that the red kimono has an attack that instakills anything.

Admittedly, I don't want full and total domination, like what Mika has. I'm far more interested in subtle manipulation. Y'know? I can't make them do what I want, but I can make them far more likely to agree with me, to see things my way, to release all their pokemon and turn all their resources towards making glorious advances for the good of all mankind.

And since I'm almost certain that that won't be enough to assuage you, let me give you a better outline.

The jump from half-demon to full demon, would be pretty much like the jump from human to half-demon. Fairly high increase in power, access to more signature techniques. The "mind control" thing would manifest itself passively, but not too strongly. He'd just be a lot more persuasive, a lot harder to ignore. He'd agree not to use it on the rest of the team, of course. Or so he'll say. His signature techniques would be mind-control related as well. Possibly one technique would let him do what I described above, let him exert influence on a mind, but not control it. The effect could be focused on a single target, or spread amongst several targets, his choice. It wouldn't weaken, the individuals would still hold the opinion after a year, or ten years, but changing the target's mind would be possible through simple everyday means. Discussion, persuasion, experience. Depending on the amount of targets, the targets will be affected more or less strongly, though with what I'm planning, using it on multiple targets will have a greater cumulative affect than a single target. In combat the effect'd be similar, only instead of political persuasion, it'd simply cast doubt on the opponent's reason for fighting. If he used it on Charlotte's pokemon, they'd be left wondering why they so fear their master. The effect would be unwillingness to fight, weaker attacks, outright refusal. Depending on strength of effect and of target.

So, no, I probably couldn't create a harem of mind-slaves, though I could, to some degree, make whichever female I have my eye on attracted to me. Though I'm thinking of adding a limitation whereby, while it's not possible to dispel it normally (like I said, you'd need actual persuasion), but certain pokemon and other demonic individuals and tell if the power's been used on someone. So even if I were to enchant one team member, the rest'd know.

I don't think that's in any way too powerful.

[Dracorion]

That'd be pretty cool, actually.

Although I'm not sure pokemon and demons should be able to sense if you used it on someone. It'd be a lot more fun if no one knew whether or not someone else was under Impact's control. We wouldn't know who to trust. Everyone would be wondering "am I saying that, or is Impact making me say it? Is Renny saying that? I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW"

I can't see you complaining. It would keep the rest of the characters from ganging up on Impact.

And perhaps provide an opportunity for Pierce to punch Impact in the face.

[Bard The 5th LW]

If he used it on Charlotte's pokemon, they'd be left wondering why they so fear their master.

You can go ahead and try, she'll teach them again a moment later.

And now I have the idea in my head of Impact attempting to influence Charlotte. That kind of thing would probably end with Charlotte flipping the fuck out and having a random pokemon (a.k.a murder-beasts) attempt to rip him apart. It wouldn't be hard, they all got sharp teeth and claws.

It would be an interesting conflict, but not one that sounds fun to go into, considering that me saying it has already given Drac ideas, and pre-emptively forced me to avoid reading this thread for the next two days at least. A more interesting version is attempting to influence Matt, who is apparently manipulative himself. Seriously, what the hell the are Matt's motives. We will have to pull a good-cop/bad-cop situation on him.

[Dracorion]

Good cop/bad cop?

I'd suggest a bad cop/batshit murdeous cop/good cop who doesn't give a crap kind of situation.

And I figured the possibility of an ImpactxCharlotte hookup was already known. Oh well, I'll figure out the details and post them later for your entertainment.

[Geminex]

We do, actually. But we need a good opportunity to do so.

It'd be a lot more fun if no one knew whether or not someone else was under Impact's control.

...
I think I like what I'm hearing. We shall see, yes? We shall see.

As for Impact influencing charlotte...

Well, look at it this way. He wants followers. She is a willing follower. Sorta. Just needs some persuasion. Where's the harm?

[DanteFalcon]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

You can go ahead and try, she'll teach them again a moment later.

And now I have the idea in my head of Impact attempting to influence Charlotte. That kind of thing would probably end with Charlotte flipping the fuck out and having a random pokemon (a.k.a murder-beasts) attempt to rip him apart. It wouldn't be hard, they all got sharp teeth and claws.

It would be an interesting conflict, but not one that sounds fun to go into, considering that me saying it has already given Drac ideas, and pre-emptively forced me to avoid reading this thread for the next two days at least. A more interesting version is attempting to influence Matt, who is apparently manipulative himself. Seriously, what the hell the are Matt's motives. We will have to pull a good-cop/bad-cop situation on him.

Clearly I'm either just fucking with all of you or I'm a genius.