Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy continues Squeenix's tradition of stupid titles

[Kim]

Also, Seifer and crew were popular enough to show up in KH2. Rinoa wasn't.

[Donomni]

The chances of any new characters from XI not being Prishe or Lilisette is sadly high, especially when you have awesome characters like Tenzen or Zazarg.

Still waiting for the inclusion of Absolute Virtue as an impossible boss, or if SE really feels like trolling, make him beatable in a game that's totally not FF XI.

I swear to god, though, if Jecht and Sazh are not ON A TEAM in this game, I'ma cut something.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Because Seifer is more popular.

Popularity means nothing if the character doesn't translate well. It's the same reason Zack won't be in. He'd play too much like Cloud. Seifer would probably play a lot like Squall and he doesn't have a workable ability set outside of that due to only being a temporary party member with very few special skills as a boss.

It's like how Vivi likely won't make it in. Vivi, despite ranking third in IGN's favorite FF character poll (after Cloud and Sephy, naturally), does not have a workable ability set. He's a Black Mage with no skills that would set him apart, since his Trance is simply Double Black. It works in the context of his game, and he made it into KH, but he wouldn't have much to offer Dissidia because it's a skill-based setup.


Also, Barrel, for Chissakes, Rinoa is on the box. Dead center. She's also in the logo. She's the female love interest in a game with a romantic plot! HOW COULD ANYONE MISS THAT?!

[Nique]

He's a Black Mage with no skills that would set him apart, since his Trance is simply Double Black.

Counter Point: Terra.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Popularity means nothing if the character doesn't translate well.

Popularity=sales.


Also as I said I haven't played FF8, I haven't looked at the box. I'm saying that in popular culture around the game Seifer is bigger. And the fact that I've heard of Seifer and not someone who is apparentely central to the plot- that should tell you something.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Popularity means nothing if the character doesn't translate well.

Your naivete is adorable. I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

Seifer will be in because he's popular. That's how it works. Their first priority will be filling the roster with popular characters. They're second priority will be making the characters they've chosen play differently.

Besides, it's not like characters being more or less the same has ever affected the character roster for other popular fighting games.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

They should totally take Ken out of the next street fighter because he's basically the same as Ryu.

[Kim]

There are at least five Ryu clones in Street Fighter anymore. And the only worthwhile one is Dan Hibiki.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Nique

Counter Point: Terra.

Terra has her Esper form and Riot Blade(?) to set her apart. Vivi gets a better hat and the ability to cast the same spells twice as much. You can argue the form change, but Double Black wouldn't make a very interesting special move, IMO.

I mean if they found some way to make it as awesome as the Black Waltz sequence, then sure, but that had a lot to do with camera angles and composition, not to mention music. Heck, all he did was cast Fire and they made it awesome, but I don't think they'd have as much leeway without the same setup, i.e. a cutscene.

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Popularity=sales.


Also as I said I haven't played FF8, I haven't looked at the box. I'm saying that in popular culture around the game Seifer is bigger. And the fact that I've heard of Seifer and not someone who is apparentely central to the plot- that should tell you something.

Fair enough, but then this isn't exactly being marketed to the public at large. Dissidia is Final Fantasy's love letter to itself, so buying it is like watching it make sexy poses in the mirror and call itself a stud. The people most likely to do it are the ones who already have their eye on the series.

The people who will buy this one are going to mostly be the people who bought the first one, who are also the people who probably already own a large chunk of the series.

Including Seifer would be pointless and difficult from a gameplay perspective because of his abilities, and he wouldn't be winning any more sales from the undecided.





And just stumbled upon trying to look up the names of his attacks:

Several references to Seifer exist in Dissidia Final Fantasy. Squall fights with a faster, one-handed style similar to Seifer, and begins his EX Burst by striking his opponent in an upside down cross, similar to Seifer's Bloodfest Limit Break. In the Museum's summon files, Seifer's reversal of Odin's Zantetsuken is mentioned under Odin's entry. Seifer also appears as the name of a Ghost card, a Level 100 Ultimecia bearing the Green Gem and GF Eden Battlegen items. Tetsuya Nomura has stated that Seifer was considered as a candidate to appear in Dissidia, but was scrapped in favor of Ultimecia as they thought he would be too similar to Squall in fighting style, as both use a Gunblade.

Source: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seifer#Trivia

So I guess that answers that.





Edit: I know I already posted, but need to reply to this:

Originally Posted by NonCon

Your naivete is adorable. I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

Seifer will be in because he's popular. That's how it works. Their first priority will be filling the roster with popular characters. They're second priority will be making the characters they've chosen play differently.

Besides, it's not like characters being more or less the same has ever affected the character roster for other popular fighting games.

It's not be being naive. It's me having a clue about game design. I know the logic behind these kinds of decisions because I've had to make them with my own projects since 2006. Four years of practice, albeit self-taught, is really nothing to sneeze at. Game design is not "figure out how to make it work later." You have to have things planned beforehand.

You could argue that they'll toss him in anyway because it's never hurt anyone else to have clones, but Dissidia is made with a different mindset. NONE of the characters play alike. They were very thorough in doing that. Changing it for the sequel is possible, but it's easier to take a character who already has a better starting point than it is to go changing things to take one away from an established base.

[mudah.swf]

None of the shotoclones in SF games really play like each other. Except maybe early SF2s