Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Archbio

"Vriska's outageous abuse of Tavros is alright, because she meant well!"

Yeah, I don't think anybody really thinks THAT. I tried to keep calling her broken and wrong and point out that I don't think this redeems her as a good person a few times, and I'm sure no one else really believes that to be the case either.

Regardless of her reasons, Vriska is pretty strongly in the villain camp. She just might be in the 'tragic villain' camp instead of the 'soulless villain' camp, depending on your precise mileage.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Yeah no idea. It's kind of important, too, 'cause depending on what she did she's either fucked or on her way home.

I understood it to have been her freezing him in some kind of bubble or time-thingy. I don't remember the timer that went on it, but it was something like a few hours tops. We haven't seen what she's done since, so hopefully she's moved away -- he was mid-attack (it made a great vector image). Even if Hussie manages to further ruin (lolemotionalresponsetoawebcomic) Kanaya, I can hope Aradia continues to be excellent.



I am starting to worry for Terezi. She's kind of had a rivalry thing with Vriska for a while, and unless I am taking things too literally seems to not like her. She's clearly assuming Vriska's been behind all of the murders, so that is going to both leave her completely unaware of the threat of Eridan and Gamzee running around and motivate her to confront Vriska. She's not "god tier" yet and isn't the author's favourite, so I suspect that could easily end badly for her.

[katiuska]

Originally Posted by Krylo

It's probably a giant clusterfuck. Don't trolls actually have more than two parents? Like you need a black rom and a red rom to fill the buckets or you die? Or am I misremembering?

I kinda zoned through most of the troll romance shit. I mostly just wanted to get back to the kids back then.

As far as we understand, yeah, basically. Anyway, I always wondered how ectobiology was supposed to work in the trolls' session, given what we saw in the kids' and what we know about troll reproduction and family structure.

This brings me back to the question what connection, if any, the guardians have to the game beyond being the kids' biological parents, since they all seem to have some familiarity with it (e.g., Grandpa could cross the Medium and was apparently involved in SBURB's development, and Bro showed up at Dave's arrival with tiny glasses for his new brotherson). If the other 12 trolls have no relation the ones we know, though, then I guess it's all irrelevant.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by synkr0nized

I am starting to worry for Terezi. She's kind of had a rivalry thing with Vriska for a while, and unless I am taking things too literally seems to not like her. She's clearly assuming Vriska's been behind all of the murders, so that is going to both lead her completely unaware of the threat of Eridan and Gamzee running around and motivate her to confront Vriska. She's not "god tier" yet and isn't the author's favourite, so I suspect that could easily end badly for her.

Well, Vriska is currently in the process of telling John how she feels shitty about killing Tavros, and Tavros was less important to her than Terezi was in the big scheme of things, so I really don't see Vriska killing Terezi.

Also: We know Terezi lives past the end of the countdown from the memo or whatever, at least, so there's that.

I'm more worried about Vriska, because if there's one character who could get Vriska killed, it's Terezi. I'm thinking there's a good chance of them both coming out fine, and maybe even taking down Gamzee together, because Terezi will need to talk at Vriska to manipulate her, and in doing so should learn that Vriska only killed the one troll, etc. etc.

BUT I have seen writers decide that two characters, who could solve everything with five seconds of conversation, should go ahead and try to murder each other anyway even if it's not in their character to do so, and I'm not sure I trust Hussie not to do that here.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Krylo

BUT I have seen writers decide that two characters, who could solve everything with five seconds of conversation, should go ahead and try to murder each other anyway even if it's not in their character to do so, and I'm not sure I trust Hussie not to do that here.

I'd actually be even more disappointed if Terezi forgave Vriska and decided to trust her within five seconds after Vriska confessed that she "only" killed Tavros.

...But that's just me.

EDIT: I will say that I'm actually fairly optimistic about Kanaya, though.

..Not that I was the least bit happy with how Andrew handled her "death," or anything. Coincidentally, however, I believe the general outcry against Andrew's handling of Kanaya's death sequence increases the odds, however slightly, that Andrew isn't fucking around with us with a fakeout and he won't turn Kanaya into a monster. After toying with Kanaya fans so many times already, I think folks like me would be up in freakin' arms if Kanaya was akin to a zombie.

...Besides, she's effectively a vampire and not a zombie or a ghost or some other form of undead, and I've never read an interpretation of a vampire that's turned them into completely mindless creatures. Some are more violent and more bloodthirsty than others, (and I'm really hoping this won't enter Twilight territory) but I'm expecting her to still be able to speak and be lucid. It really wouldn't make any sense to write her as an undead character just to add one more murderer to the killings when Gamzee and Eridan are already running amok.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I'd actually be even more disappointed if Terezi forgave Vriska and decided to trust her within five seconds after Vriska confessed that she "only" killed Tavros.

...But that's just me.

Well I don't mean full forgiveness and trust in five seconds, but that's all it should really take to realize there's something else going on and maybe trying to talk Vriska into some kind of elaborate attempt on her life isn't the best thing to do at the moment.

[BitVyper]

Terezi could be rationalizing things as Vriska's fault due to blackrom feelings. Just the reverse of what those in love often do. Otherwise she's not really behaving like herself.

Edit: By which I mean she's missing lots of things.

[Premmy]

I strongly feel like Kanaya will be Twilight like a muthafucka, just guessing here.

[Dracorion]

Pthbthhppbtbhhh!

[Solid Snake]

...I should add that I'd feel it'd feel equally out of character for Terezi and Vriska to fight immediately upon seeing each other: Vriska's clearly in a solemn state (I may disagree with the authorial intent there, but Andrew can't contradict the narrative after the fact) and Terezi really is the least likely personality type to immediately jump to any false conclusions without a thorough interrogation first.

Ideally, Terezi would convince Vriska to help deal with Gamzee, and then covertly message something to Karkat to the effect of "Everything's fine for now, but we're going to have a Vriska problem." (Obscure LOST references FTW.) I'll be 0kay with things so long as Terezi and Karkat hold Vriska at arm's length and continue to privately view her as a threat, even if they're forced to use her to stay alive in the interim.

I just don't want Tavros' death to be forgiven and forgotten the minute Vriska starts acting heroic, which is usually what tends to happen in the context of Canon Sue characters.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Premmy

I strongly feel like Kanaya will be Twilight like a muthafucka, just guessing here.

...If my favorite Homestuck character becomes a female Edward Cullen, and Rose becomes her Bella, I swear to God I will burn the Kanaya plushie I paid good money to have shipped to me. I will burn it and then I will cry liquid tears of sorrow.
...It would shock me if Andrew went that route though, because he's not a thirteen year old, he knows his audience isn't thirteen year old females, and I can't really think of a worse message to send to any member of the LGBT community who identified with Kanaya than transforming her into Stephanie Meyer's excrement.

...Then again, he did have a gag character who enjoyed posters of horse dicks, so...
Shit.
(Kanaya as a gag character? I'd almost rather she stayed dead.)