Pokemon Umbral Theatre 2: Devoted to That She-Devil, Charlotte Beaufort - Page 6

Geminex · 08-31-2010, 09:54 PM

First: I meant we take levels 1-5 as they are, and customize everything from then on. Meaning customization starts at level 6.

And Menarker, that seems allright, sorta.
One major qualm is that you'd be getting an extremely large movepool. I know, I know, you're sacrificing the Slayer Weapon effects for that.
But still, Slayer attacks are very powerful. To compensate for that, they only get 6 of them (and even that's stronger than it should be, I think). The movepool available to you, of course, depends on the form you pick. And, really, I'm thinking that's what the strength of this change depends on. What move you pick.

Also, what's up with Armor and STAB?

Edit:
Ok. So you don't have any problems with the BR. Now. Both of you. Examples. How would you interpret them?
I know it isn't as interesting as our current discussion, but for god's sake, let's just finish that!

Dracorion · 08-31-2010, 09:58 PM

I already totally gave an example!

"I will not make my pokemon unSnaggable."

Menarker · 08-31-2010, 10:11 PM

Well, it's not like you can switch on and off your training. And as I said before, there will be elements that the form would not be able to use. Normal Slayers don't have that limitation.

Also, I'm really trying to not give away what my pokebrid form is. Giving the movelists is pretty darn close to that.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, what's up with Armor and STAB?

Well, Pokebrids gain 1.5 STAB (higher at later levels) from their moves if the move matches one of the form's type and Slayers at level 4 get 2.0 STAB from their attacks if its type matches one of the armors they wear.

Geminex · 08-31-2010, 10:20 PM

I know. And that was kind of a stupid question, cause I take it that you were envisioning that you'd get Slayer Armor in addition to your pokebrid typing?

And just tell me, which pokebrid form were you thinking of? That's what I need to know to judge.

And Drac, could you slap yourself for me?

Dracorion · 08-31-2010, 10:22 PM

Nope.

So Renny could get x1.5 and x2 STAB at the same time if he used an attack that matched his type and he wore the same element armor?

Geminex · 08-31-2010, 10:23 PM

Nooooooo. Almost certainly not, cause, see, that would go under the heading of "massive increase in attack".

Menarker · 08-31-2010, 10:28 PM

I'll see if I can reveal some of the moves, but not all. I still want to keep it more or less a secret.

And presumably, that proposed STAB situation would happen. It would like a Helping Hand on top of STAB for 2 types at most. But yeah, I could see that being a bit on top. But the armor bonus for Slayer is more than the one from Pokebrid.

Astral Harmony · 08-31-2010, 10:32 PM

Ugh...I worked on those demon upgrades for like, three hours last night and they look like complete garbage to me.

Man, I've been melancholy all day today. I dunno what it is.

If you're going to customize all your ranks, then I'm not going to bother trying to create a balanced template. That's just adding more fuel to a fire that's already burning a little too hotly in my opinion, and as of this afternoon, I'm pretty much burned out. Maybe I'm just tired.

Remember what you want those Magatama to do, right? Then hopefully you can do better than me on it. I think the main problem is I was trying to juggle three demons at the same time (Impact, Pierce, and Sophie) and attempting to maintain some kind of balance despite the difference in requests. Having other templates to base the upgrades on didn't help me any.

Additionally, I think that it's best that any upgrades you have in mind be withheld until the very rank that you want the upgrade on. That way we're not creating one confusing mess of hurl that even I don't want to go anywhere near and we can deal with balancing issues rank by rank by rank.

Honestly, I don't mind the arguements. Some of the time, just like Krylo, I find them downright amusing. But even the funniest things in life should be exercised in moderation, yes? Besides, you may decide that you want to change a certain upgrade to something else, and so long as that upgrade hasn't come around yet, you have plenty of time to change it to your liking.

A Pokesoldier, whether they were originally a Pokebrid or Slayer before the dual classing, still goes by this simple formula:

Pokemon's Stats/2 + Slayer's Stats/2

You can customize your NPCs like PCs, Drac. They just won't have the permanent place in a DSS like the actual PCs do.

I wouldn't worry so much about the issue regarding rendering Pokemon unable to be Dominated and Snagged, since both are actually kinda rare cases. To my knowledge so far, there are four characters who practice Domination:

1.) Impact, when he becomes a demon,
2.) Moera, the only one who has done it yet,
3.) Marionata. She's the Psychic Ruin General. It wouldn't make sense if she couldn't, and-
4.) Gardenoir, who I think is getting more and more dangerous with each passing day.

Snaggers aren't the most common enemies, and chances are that there'll be other foes like them so they won't be the only concern Renny will have when it comes to his Pokemon. I'm going to surprise you with them in a very cruel way, so I'm withholding intel on them for now.

So hang onto your ideas for future upgrades. You may want to change them in order to cope with future challenges.

By the way, here in Guam, a new product that they're selling has me floored. Over in Thailand, they have a branch for Pringles (y'know, the chips in the cardboard tubes) and I'm guessing it was only recently that they started selling one of the best-tasting snacks I've ever had. Pringles Pocky. Well, that's what I call it. I guess the official name is Pringles Baked Wheat Stix. It's basically like Pocky, except instead of chocolate or strawberry coatings, these sticks wield the deadly trio of honey, butter, and sugar. All I can is...dayumn.

Geminex · 08-31-2010, 10:49 PM

Look, AB, let me do the preliminary shit. We'll put stuff in orange if we need you to read it, but I don't want this to result in extra work for you. Let me smooth things out, I'll write up the template (because I think it'd help a lot more than it'd do harm) and PM it to you for approval. You don't need to go through this stuff.

And I know the feeling. I always listen to this.
http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/...vered-in-blood
Though mind you, if naked girls don't help, that might be futile as well...

Astral Harmony · 08-31-2010, 10:55 PM

Still, we should make even the preliminary shift as easy and smooth as possible, right? So I figure we should handle balancing one rank at a time instead of having people try to come up with no less than ten ranks worth of original upgrades.

Let's be reasonable, here. Would you want that kind of paperwork? Five players, yourself included, each throwing out ten ranks of upgrades, then it falling into the hands of...oh, four of us to find a balance that the templates I worked so hard on couldn't?

I appreciate what you're doing. I'm just saying "don't work harder than you have to, even if you feel motivated to do so". Because I'm physically unable to support you in other ways like massaging your shoulders or giving you a footrub or fixing you some homemade buttermilk buscuits, creepiness factor be damned.

08-31-2010, 09:58 PM	#52
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	I already totally gave an example! "I will not make my pokemon unSnaggable." __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-31-2010, 10:22 PM	#55
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Nope. So Renny could get x1.5 and x2 STAB at the same time if he used an attack that matched his type and he wore the same element armor? __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-31-2010, 10:28 PM	#57
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	I'll see if I can reveal some of the moves, but not all. I still want to keep it more or less a secret. And presumably, that proposed STAB situation would happen. It would like a Helping Hand on top of STAB for 2 types at most. But yeah, I could see that being a bit on top. But the armor bonus for Slayer is more than the one from Pokebrid. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 08-31-2010 at 10:31 PM.

08-31-2010, 10:32 PM	#58
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	Ugh...I worked on those demon upgrades for like, three hours last night and they look like complete garbage to me. Man, I've been melancholy all day today. I dunno what it is. If you're going to customize all your ranks, then I'm not going to bother trying to create a balanced template. That's just adding more fuel to a fire that's already burning a little too hotly in my opinion, and as of this afternoon, I'm pretty much burned out. Maybe I'm just tired. Remember what you want those Magatama to do, right? Then hopefully you can do better than me on it. I think the main problem is I was trying to juggle three demons at the same time (Impact, Pierce, and Sophie) and attempting to maintain some kind of balance despite the difference in requests. Having other templates to base the upgrades on didn't help me any. Additionally, I think that it's best that any upgrades you have in mind be withheld until the very rank that you want the upgrade on. That way we're not creating one confusing mess of hurl that even I don't want to go anywhere near and we can deal with balancing issues rank by rank by rank. Honestly, I don't mind the arguements. Some of the time, just like Krylo, I find them downright amusing. But even the funniest things in life should be exercised in moderation, yes? Besides, you may decide that you want to change a certain upgrade to something else, and so long as that upgrade hasn't come around yet, you have plenty of time to change it to your liking. A Pokesoldier, whether they were originally a Pokebrid or Slayer before the dual classing, still goes by this simple formula: Pokemon's Stats/2 + Slayer's Stats/2 You can customize your NPCs like PCs, Drac. They just won't have the permanent place in a DSS like the actual PCs do. I wouldn't worry so much about the issue regarding rendering Pokemon unable to be Dominated and Snagged, since both are actually kinda rare cases. To my knowledge so far, there are four characters who practice Domination: 1.) Impact, when he becomes a demon, 2.) Moera, the only one who has done it yet, 3.) Marionata. She's the Psychic Ruin General. It wouldn't make sense if she couldn't, and- 4.) Gardenoir, who I think is getting more and more dangerous with each passing day. Snaggers aren't the most common enemies, and chances are that there'll be other foes like them so they won't be the only concern Renny will have when it comes to his Pokemon. I'm going to surprise you with them in a very cruel way, so I'm withholding intel on them for now. So hang onto your ideas for future upgrades. You may want to change them in order to cope with future challenges. By the way, here in Guam, a new product that they're selling has me floored. Over in Thailand, they have a branch for Pringles (y'know, the chips in the cardboard tubes) and I'm guessing it was only recently that they started selling one of the best-tasting snacks I've ever had. Pringles Pocky. Well, that's what I call it. I guess the official name is Pringles Baked Wheat Stix. It's basically like Pocky, except instead of chocolate or strawberry coatings, these sticks wield the deadly trio of honey, butter, and sugar. All I can is...dayumn. Last edited by Astral Harmony; 08-31-2010 at 10:50 PM.

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08-31-2010, 09:54 PM	#51
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	First: I meant we take levels 1-5 as they are, and customize everything from then on. Meaning customization starts at level 6. And Menarker, that seems allright, sorta. One major qualm is that you'd be getting an extremely large movepool. I know, I know, you're sacrificing the Slayer Weapon effects for that. But still, Slayer attacks are very powerful. To compensate for that, they only get 6 of them (and even that's stronger than it should be, I think). The movepool available to you, of course, depends on the form you pick. And, really, I'm thinking that's what the strength of this change depends on. What move you pick. Also, what's up with Armor and STAB? Edit: Ok. So you don't have any problems with the BR. Now. Both of you. Examples. How would you interpret them? I know it isn't as interesting as our current discussion, but for god's sake, let's just finish that!

08-31-2010, 10:20 PM	#54
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	I know. And that was kind of a stupid question, cause I take it that you were envisioning that you'd get Slayer Armor in addition to your pokebrid typing? And just tell me, which pokebrid form were you thinking of? That's what I need to know to judge. And Drac, could you slap yourself for me?

08-31-2010, 10:23 PM	#56
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Nooooooo. Almost certainly not, cause, see, that would go under the heading of "massive increase in attack".

08-31-2010, 10:49 PM	#59
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Look, AB, let me do the preliminary shit. We'll put stuff in orange if we need you to read it, but I don't want this to result in extra work for you. Let me smooth things out, I'll write up the template (because I think it'd help a lot more than it'd do harm) and PM it to you for approval. You don't need to go through this stuff. And I know the feeling. I always listen to this. http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/...vered-in-blood Though mind you, if naked girls don't help, that might be futile as well...

08-31-2010, 10:55 PM	#60
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	Still, we should make even the preliminary shift as easy and smooth as possible, right? So I figure we should handle balancing one rank at a time instead of having people try to come up with no less than ten ranks worth of original upgrades. Let's be reasonable, here. Would you want that kind of paperwork? Five players, yourself included, each throwing out ten ranks of upgrades, then it falling into the hands of...oh, four of us to find a balance that the templates I worked so hard on couldn't? I appreciate what you're doing. I'm just saying "don't work harder than you have to, even if you feel motivated to do so". Because I'm physically unable to support you in other ways like massaging your shoulders or giving you a footrub or fixing you some homemade buttermilk buscuits, creepiness factor be damned.