Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[P-Sleazy]

There are SOOOO many things wrong with that post Pink. You're on my "Possibly culted" list.

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

Lynching Demetrius to check his roleclaim is just so backwards. Okay, we found out that Demetrius is telling the truth. Congratulations! We're helping Cult get a head start by having less kills going on, thus allowing them to grow larger.

The more kills going on makes it easier for the cult to get majority of town if they don't have thier members being taken out. And since Demetrius is shooting in the dark and not at cult members, we have no idea if he's killing cult or town or other scum.

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

Saying you're an SK serves no purpose but to ensure that you will die. This is a unique game with unique circumstances. We rarely ever had to worry about two cults and three mafias. You really want to verify it so bad? Get a PO to get to work. Going "Oh, well, Demetrius is dead and he was telling the truth. Oops!" Isn't going to help us any right now.

Well, no point in having a PO reveal himself to tell us something we already know right? Let alone waste an investigation on Demetrius. Sounds like someone just wants the PO to just come out with who they are, get BG protection from the mafia each night, while the cult gets him and forces him to work for them.

FOS: PINK BUNNY!

EDIT: To be upgraded to a vote tommorow!

DOUBLE EDIT: Forgot you're unlynchable so it'll stay at an FOS tommorow...

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

There are SOOOO many things wrong with that post Pink. You're on my "Possibly culted" list.

We'll see about that actually.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

The more kills going on makes it easier for the cult to get majority of town if they don't have thier members being taken out. And since Demetrius is shooting in the dark and not at cult members, we have no idea if he's killing cult or town or other scum.

Wrong. The problem with Cult that makes them so disgustingly powerful that it makes you want to vomit is quite simple. You start with 1 Cult Leader.
This game, we start with 2 Cult Leaders.

Each night that passes, that is another person taken. They could possibly have killing powers. It is true, there's no evidence that Cult is alive. There's no evidence that they're dead, either.

There is evidence that there's a lot of Mafia kicking regardless.
If Cult is lucky, which apparently you think it is (I'm on your possibly culted list, after all!), they have four members. Tomorrow there'll be six. Then eight. Then ten. Will some die? Probably from aimless killing. Will it be the leader? Low probability.

The more kills that are laid out early, the higher the chance a Cult head is selected and killed. Once he's killed the cult quits spreading. The End. Killing a leader late in the game rarely saves you from a Cult win, because their damage has already been done and their faction is large.

You are eliminating that possibility. Which by the way, I think Nayno is Cult. This is because he's so quiet and how he placed that Demetrius vote.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Well, no point in having a PO reveal himself to tell us something we already know right? Let alone waste an investigation on Demetrius. Sounds like someone just wants the PO to just come out with who they are, get BG protection from the mafia each night, while the cult gets him and forces him to work for them.

If we already know it, then we know that Zilla's reason for killing him for verification is bunk. Now, Ryderman at least makes sense on the issue-- kill him because he's an SK. Okay. Captain Combustible is also the same way.

But I also know CC well enough to know that he'd be smart enough to understand the merit of keeping a verified SK around this early in the game, with so many threats existing. I don't know Ryderman's playstyle enough to know if he'd consider that. This makes me unsure of CC.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

FOS: PINK BUNNY!

Big deal.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

EDIT: To be upgraded to a vote tommorow!

Stall for your friends all you like. If I had the power to kill you or the contacts to do so you'd be dead right now. I know you're more clever than this.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

DOUBLE EDIT: Forgot you're unlynchable so it'll stay at an FOS tommorow...

How frightening. Let me guess. Tomorrow you're going to reinterrate that me admitting to being unlynchable is a smokescreen, and that you want to verify me tomorrow. Magically you'll somehow live tonight with Demetrius a threat though, huh?

If we're lucky one of the other mafias will off you. That'll be funny.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I was assuming B_real was a cult leader, myself.

[Pink Bunny]

That's certainly believable.

[Bailey]

I was nearly certain they were Zilla and Nayno, with Giever and B_Real as inductees

[P-Sleazy]

I've been in cults WAY to many times to know how they work. If you have a sensible cult leader who knows what he's doing, its remarkably easy to win (See Bleach Mafia and Totally Rigged Mafia in particular).

To put it simply, the cult isn't about offing everyone else from the game, its about survivability while everyone offs eachother off. You have to carefully monitor EVERYONE in the game at all stages and pick and choose the people you beleive will not be killed. In addition, player history matters alot too. People like me probably aren't gonna get culted unless theres a guarantee that I have something they want. Why? Because I talk to much. I also go to the border of death way too often in most of the games.

EDIT: Also, you forgot that if the cult head dies, the oldest inductee after 4 nights becomes the new leader, so its not just about cutting the head off and the cult head immediately dies if culting a mafiate. DOUBLE EDIT: correction, cult leadership doesn't pass down. Mixing up games here.

So, of the people killed, who do I think may have been culted?

Tophat and Ugainus are the two most likely people to have been culted. They've kept fairly low profiles most of the game.

I'm not gonna mention the living list. Because that'll just give targets to the anti-cults on who to kill and cults on who not to induct.

The bigger players who are fairly talkative in games are usually inducted later in the game once they've proven their usefulness to the town but not quite a threat to the mafia.

And its not so much me stalling, as me trying to figure out how to deal with you at the moment. You haven't proven your towniness, but with phrases like these

Originally Posted by Pink

If we're lucky one of the other mafias will off you. That'll be funny.

You make it sound like you're part of a mafia now too.

[Pink Bunny]

A thought, Newb. If B_Real and Russian were arguing maybe that was some form of forced Culthood, or a failed attempt?
Edit: Haven't read all your post yet, will in a moment. But I did see the quote so that made my eyes stand out and look at it.

So now I'm a Cultist-Mafiate with unlynchability and some form of night survivability.
Sorry, my role isn't as broken as yours was. :P

[P-Sleazy]

I added 2 edits into there to clarify/fix a clarification. I'll just put those in here so thier easier to find.

Originally Posted by me

EDIT: Also, you forgot that if the cult head dies, the oldest inductee after 4 nights becomes the new leader, so its not just about cutting the head off and the cult head immediately dies if culting a mafiate. DOUBLE EDIT: correction, cult leadership doesn't pass down. Mixing up games here.

EDIT: I also don't know where I got the notion of the cult leader dieing if trying to induct a mafiate. I thought it was mentioned in the rules thread but I can't find it so disregard that for now too.

[Bailey]

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

A thought, Newb. If B_Real and Russian were arguing maybe that was some form of forced Culthood, or a failed attempt?

I think I remember something about cult leaders being unable to steal inductees from each other.

Maybe that's what that was?

[P-Sleazy]

Or maybe it was just 2 guys without names. Cause seriously, the shadows clue, its a bit overdone don't you think? Why can't we go back to the days when clues were stuff like "Swish Shoosh Blam" for SSB? I liked that clue. Roy got it too. Then he was killed for figuring it out.

Now you're gonna kill me for luckily getting Demetrius (Yes, I am admitting it, it was lucky that the guy I was gunning is indeed scum, but atleast it was done with logic) and throwing out a FOS at Pink for a completely logical reason and for a clue newb has that may or may not refer to me (but it doesn't to the extent of my knowledge).