Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread!

[Donomni]

Holy crap that is way too convoluted to not not happen.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Is this awesome or not? I can't tell?

It's awesome because it's terrible, and it's terrible because it might actually happen.

Originally Posted by Lithp

Do you people think that Bleach is Naruto, or something?

I don't watch Naruto so I wouldn't know. What I do know is that the dumbest prediction is usually the most accurate one. At least that's been the case lately.

[Bells]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Latest Bleach Prediction: Engetsu is actually Ichigo's mom, meaning Ichigo is half-sword. Ichigo will end up weilding two bankais, only one of them is himself. Aizen wants Ichigo to take his true form as a sword because Ichigo is the most powerful sword in Soul Society and only with it can he defeat the King of Soul Society. Ichigo's hollow form is his shikai. That's why he had to fight himself to be able to control his hollow form.

The OVA "The Sealed Sword Frenzy" was about that.

But the theory trips. Because every Soul can turn Hollow, and every Shinigami has a "Hollow Form". The reason why Ichigo's Hollow form is so present is Half mystery and Half for the fact that his path to power was the most Rushed and convoluted one in history.

But every Shinigami has a Hollow within, every Vaizard has to dominate that form in order to control himself, and those are both sides of the same coin, even evidenced in the anime during the only time where Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo appeared in the same scene, with Zangetsu "Absorbing" Hollow Ichigo back inside.

Personally i don't see Aizen in Tensa Zangetsu's form. You can see Hitsugaya or even Byakuya in there if you want to.

However... i would agree that Isshin's Sword could be Ichigo's Mom. That would somewhat explain why Isshin went powerless (his Sword "died") but would also mean that somehow he had babies with his Zanpakuto....

...and that's messed'up.

[Kim]

The good, and by good I mean awful, thing about making Bleach predictions anymore is that you're either right, or the truth is even dumber than your prediction. Either Ichigo's hollow powers have to do with him being half sword, or the big twist Aizen was going to drop on Ichigo before is far, far dumber than that, and that's amazing.

[Lithp]

I don't watch Naruto so I wouldn't know. What I do know is that the dumbest prediction is usually the most accurate one. At least that's been the case lately.

This is kind of what I mean. Bleach hasn't been that bad at all. A quick comparison:

Aizen could have revealed that the deaths of the Espada were all illusions. It would have made sense, & been tactically brilliant, among other things. But he didn't, probably because Tite Kubo realized that was frustratingly stupid.

However, in a recent chapter of Naruto, Kabuto revived the Akatsuki. All of them. With a jutsu. And his only apparent limit was that he needed to gather the corpses of nameless schmucks off-screen in order to do it.

And that's not the limit of Naruto's frustratingly dumbass plot "twists"! Both his father AND mother--deceased, both of them--have been revealed to be sealed in his subconscious & emerged to help him at major events, even though the Deus Ex Machina weren't really needed. Oh, & apparently, his mother has "special chakra," despite the fact that this hasn't been mentioned yet. What it does, beyond being able to subdue a monster literally made of enough chakra to cause natural disasters by MOVING, is a horrifying mystery.

There was a whole convoluted set of chapters where Kisame nearly captured someone, but lost at the last minute because his sword betrayed him. This turned out to be a fake Kisame, the real one hiding in the sword, waiting for the "right moment." This ignores the facts that (A) the fake Kisame was winning, so the real one would have finished the battle already, (B) he's had several chances when the person in question was either asleep, alone, or both, as well as being (C) on the seas, where Kisame, being a water-user, would have been at an advantage.

And Aizen's plans, no matter how bad a person thinks they are, have nothing on Madara Uchiha. He plans to use a jutsu to reflect his eye on the moon & control the world. Because his eye can do anything. Fuck, it makes him immortal & intangible to all attacks. And what does this guy want? Well, that's tough to say. One chapter, he says, "Revenge on the people who persecuted the Uchiha," the next chapter, "World peace." Why he'd want revenge on the Uchihas' persecutors doesn't make much sense, given that he helped to kill them. Either way, his plan revolves reviving the Ten-Tailed Beast (also not foreshadowed at all), a monster that is made of the other 9 Tailed Beasts put together, which has the power to instantly eradicate entire countries, at the very least.

There was also the time where Orochimaru reappeared after being inactive for a long time, just to be absorbed by a sacred item that Itachi conveniently had without any chance to fight back. This sacred item was never mentioned prior to this. And Itachi only had it because it was possessed by his Susanoo jutsu, which was never mentioned itself, before Itachi needed to block lightning. It wasn't even explained in hinbdsight how any of this bullshit made sense.

See what I mean?

But the theory trips. Because every Soul can turn Hollow, and every Shinigami has a "Hollow Form". The reason why Ichigo's Hollow form is so present is Half mystery and Half for the fact that his path to power was the most Rushed and convoluted one in history.

The theory trips for a lot of reasons. It only makes sense under the ridiculous notion that Bleach does things purely because they're stupid. But I would like to point out that this isn't stated or even implied anywhere. It seems like the soul has to go through a partial Hollow transformation to have an Inner Hollow.

I don't even believe that Isshin's sword could be his mother. For starters, her name isn't "Engetsu."

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Lithp

It only makes sense under the ridiculous notion that Bleach does things purely because they're stupid.

[Lithp]

One thing. Intended as a joke. Not nearly as ridiculous as any of these theories. And who gives a fuck about Yammy anyway? He wasn't really major to the plot at all.

Also, really, the only argument for why this is stupid is that people don't like it. You could have made the case for Stark being the Primera Espada by just saying, "He's so lazy, he couldn't POSSIBLY be that strong!"

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Lithp

One thing. Intended as a joke. Not nearly as ridiculous as any of these theories. And who gives a fuck about Yammy anyway? He wasn't really major to the plot at all.

Unless I'm forgetting something, he's currently the reason at least Kenpachi and Byakuya haven't come to help. I want to say he's also the reason Chad, Ishida, Orihime, and Rukia haven't shown, but goddamn that was like fifty chapters ago and I honestly can't remember.

Also, really, the only argument for why this is stupid is that people don't like it.

Or maybe people don't like it because it's stupid. Just sayin'. Quite possibly the worst, most uninteresting espada character turns out to be the strongest because Kubo wills it. It wasn't cool, interesting, or even particularly well-executed. Kubo just did it because he thought it was funny, which is the opposite of good writing.

I'd also file Urahara, Isshin, and and Yoruichi getting their asses handed to them off-panel and without using any particularly interesting abilities as being pretty stupid. I've also found several other recent plot twists stupid and uninteresting, and I think the last time I really enjoyed Bleach like I used to was when Captain Bro's bankai turned out to be the Best Thing Ever.

[Lithp]

Unless I'm forgetting something, he's currently the reason at least Kenpachi and Byakuya haven't come to help. I want to say he's also the reason Chad, Ishida, Orihime, and Rukia haven't shown, but goddamn that was like fifty chapters ago and I honestly can't remember.

Past tense. Was he at all important before his release? The release didn't change anything major with his character development. So far, he hasn't killed anyone or done anything major, he's just provided a convenient excuse to occupy more characters.

Or maybe people don't like it because it's stupid. Just sayin'. Quite possibly the worst, most uninteresting espada character turns out to be the strongest because Kubo wills it. It wasn't cool, interesting, or even particularly well-executed. Kubo just did it because he thought it was funny, which is the opposite of good writing.

Dude, you're doing it RIGHT NOW. This isn't about lack of foreshadowing, an unclever plot device, or any of that. This is because you perceive Yammy as the worst Espada. So do I, but even I can see that's not objective grounds for calling it a bad plot device. Again, if you thought Stark was a bad character, you would have been making this argument about him.

And "the opposite of good writing"? Seriously, it's a joke. I happen to think it's funny, because I LOVE seeing Yammy get thrashed. If it was something that really fucked with the plot, like Don Konochi being the King of the Soul Society, THEN I'd have a problem with it. I mean, I'm not saying you should think it's funny, but does it really make sense to sound so preachy about it? No offense intended, of course.

Also, I think that Ulquiorra is the real strongest Espada.

I'd also file Urahara, Isshin, and and Yoruichi getting their asses handed to them off-panel and without using any particularly interesting abilities as being pretty stupid.

And you probably would have complained had the battle dragged on. Don't say you wouldn't, everyone was doing it. I'll grant you, the Fake Karakura Town Arc got a little stale towards the end. But is it really logical to say that things like "Ichigo's mom was Isshin's sword" make sense compared to a relatively minor Missed Moment of Awesome? Come on, now, I think we can all agree that's overexaggerating.

I think the last time I really enjoyed Bleach like I used to was when Captain Bro's bankai turned out to be the Best Thing Ever.

What are you talking about?

[Kim]

This isn't about lack of foreshadowing, an unclever plot device, or any of that. This is because you perceive Yammy as the worst Espada.

It wasn't foreshadowed. It wasn't interesting. Stark being the Primera worked because we knew there was a Primera. We knew that it had to be one of three characters. In addition, the parallels between Stark and Captain Bro gave good reason to believe that Stark would be one of the strongest Espada if not the strongest. This is a legitimately bad plot event, and it's made worse for involving the worst character. With Bleach, I'm generally willing to suspend my disbelief provided it's cool. This idea is more or less the basis for bankais in general. "Why did his sword turn into a billion flower petals that kill you?" "Because it's cool." This wasn't a good plot twist, and it had nothing going for it to make me tolerate its stupidity.

And "the opposite of good writing"? Seriously, it's a joke.

Throwing in a meaningless, poorly written plot device because "it's a joke" is bad writing.

And you probably would have complained had the battle dragged on.

No, I wouldn't.

Don't say you wouldn't

I wouldn't.

everyone was doing it.

Since when were you under the impression I cared what other people were doing?

I'll grant you, the Fake Karakura Town Arc got a little stale towards the end. But is it really logical to say that things like "Ichigo's mom was Isshin's sword" make sense compared to a relatively minor Missed Moment of Awesome? Come on, now, I think we can all agree that's overexaggerating.

I thought some of the Ho-Goku stuff was really dumb, and more than anything a Deus Ex Machina to explain stuff Kubo hadn't bothered to come up with legitimate explanations for when the story began, and Aizen being responsible for every damn thing and knowing everything really strains my suspension of disbelief. Also, yes, it was an overexaggeration. I don't think Ichigo is actually half-sword. Sometimes I make joke predictions about Bleach. It's a thing I do.

What are you talking about?

Captain Bro's bankai being Calvinball.