Pokemon Umbral Discussion 20: Now With New Discussion Thread Smell!

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Whoa, whoa. Six leader pokemon? Hell no, absolutely not.

I can get behind Renny having four leader pokemon, at most. I don't care if you want to justify it with "Renny loves all his pokemon equally!". One or two always end up falling behind. So just say Mollesk is retarded and Magnezone doesn't care or however you want to put it.

I mean, you get custom moves, buffed up stats, Testament Drives and Pokemon Fuckin' Alphas. I'm drawing the line at four leader pokemon. Cross it if you fucking dare.

My main justification for all of them being leader pokemons, aside from the "all of them are being loved equally", is for total freedom on items and abilities. AB currently put a restriction on customs items and abilities like that Berserker one requiring to be one, and at the moment, being a leader grants 2 extra moves, but not much else like a power boost or so, unless I'm mistaken.

Normally I would have Swampert as a leader since it's so damn reliable and powerful and charismatic... but he is working perfectly fine with 4 moves since he is a basic high power attacker, so 4 is enough to cover for most weaknesses and resistances. In contrast, normally I wouldn't instinctively choose Umbreon, but she really needs a few more slots to be really effective (Too many moves to choose from for a support set).
But I pretty much want the freedom to put my custom items or leader pokemon specific bonuses on any of my pokemons. (Maybe have it so all my pokemons become eligible for any bonuses and equipment that require Leader Pokemon classification even if they aren't actually leaders? Although making them all leaders would be wonderful still.)

Mollesk is already a leader pokemon. (Powerful and needs more slots to be really effective). Doesn't help you're mistaken about one other factor about Mollesk.

If I really have to edit something to make room, I'll edit Testament drive again so only Leader pokemons have it. That should tone things down a bit so the leader pokemons don't sound so harsh.

As for waiting until later, no problem. I was just following with what AB approved earlier.

Anyhow, plenty of time still, so we'll see.

Anyhow, one of the custom moves I had in mind as a power level comparision... See what you think? (For Umbreon)

Scapegoat (Dark Status move) *A Follow Me Varient*
Select any friendly target (yourself included) and then another friendly target. All moves that would target that ally is redirected to a different ally of the user's choice. If the pokemon is attacked with a move that hit multiple opponent, reduce its power by 50% but it doesn't get redirected. If the scapegoated pokemon is knocked out, all moves that would have targetted it if it was still conscious still get redirected and is wasted.

"Why no, I never intended to select Pierce's pokemons or Impact as my scapegoat to protect myself, why did you ask?"

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

What do demons become? Like, after mission 4, I'll be picking demon as my dual class. So I'll be a Level 5 Slayer/Level 1 Demon. Demon will count as a class, right? One that I can level up, and that gets upgraded? So, when I get my 6th demon level, would I just be a full demon?

God help me, I'm going to go on ahead and propose something crazy here: Impact dual-classes to Ragnarok, then goes half-demon for the stat bonuses. Then he goes Demon, but doesn't get any stat boosts out of it, just mind control.

We can have Ragnarok replace full Demon as your dual-class, but you'd still get to keep mind control.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Edit2:
And I think Menarker's right. Dark Abyss is pretty powerful at the moment. Menarker has a right to be territorial. Of course, I don't want to give him his super-moves. So remove his right to be territorial.
AB, propose that Dark Abyss be nerfed (accuracy halved) and Menarker drop his request for super-powerful custom moves.
Drac, there's nothing justifying why Enmakki should get a super-move. Even with half accuracy it'd still be pretty powerful.mparison. Meaning you get pretty good stuff, but nothing super-powerful.

Oh come ooooonnnn. I really wanted Enmakki to have that move.

But fine, whatever. Jerk. I'll agree to nerf Dark Abyss, but not the accuracy. I want Enmakki to have a 100% accuracy Sleep attack. I'll nerf the Nightmare portion of it instead:

Dark Abyss (Dark): Enmakki engulfs the target in itself and places them in a deep sleep. 100% chance to inflict Sleep and reduces the target's HP by 1/8 of its maximum HP as long as it remains asleep.

Does that sound good enough for you? Also, for my benefit, I'm going to go on ahead and repost Enmakki's other move:

Deathclaw (Dark): Enmakki kills a sleeping target. Enmakki forms a claw, thrusts it into a sleeping target, rips out their heart (and their soul) and consumes it. 40% chance to insta-kill a sleeping target.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Mollesk is already a leader pokemon. (Powerful and needs more slots to be really effective). Doesn't help you're mistaken about one other factor about Mollesk.

So it's just a perverted little turtle, then?

Or drunk off it's own wine. Or both.

Originally Posted by Menarker

"Why no, I never intended to select Pierce's pokemons or Impact as my scapegoat to protect myself, why did you ask?"

Try it. I dare ya. Then we have a perfectly good excuse to kill Renny.

EDIT: Hmm...

Hey AB, can we still dual-class with super classes? I mean, am I allowed to be a Breeder/Slayer?

Since we only get one upgrade for one class every mission, I can't see it being broken.

Hey Bard, out of curiosity, what would Charlotte have said if Pierce hadn't added the "within reason" clause?

[DanteFalcon]

Gem that is completely incorrect.

By controlling the flow of information I can force you to do something whether you like it or not. Not to mention that if a person holds all the information and you learn he's manipulating you he's still in a rather strong position because quite simply, he's more than likely indisposable.

Also, even if you are right this is Matthias. Not me.

[Dracorion]

I think we should bring Plan "Torture Matthias" out of the mothballs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hey Bard, out of curiosity, what would Charlotte have said if Pierce hadn't added the "within reason" clause?

Man I don't even know. There's only so much that I am willing to write or think of writing. My mind can only go so many places.

[Dracorion]

Care to take a guess?

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Somewhere in the back of his mind, a small voice was shouting about how it couldn't believe that found a guy gayer than Renny, and how it's faith in humanity had been destroyed.

>_> You be treading on thin ground.

[Dracorion]

Oh hey, a typo. I'mma go fix that.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Hey AB, can we still dual-class with super classes? I mean, am I allowed to be a Breeder/Slayer?

Since we only get one upgrade for one class every mission, I can't see it being broken.

Hey, that's my shit, get your own!

But seriously, I don't imagine it'll be a problem, since my original intent was to go through Breeder until all the upgrades were gained, and if we were still playing, possibly go through the the half demon thing.

Also, I saw nothing stating that there would be only one upgrade per mission. Heck, with the previous one that was approved, there was a few per mission divided in sets. Dunno about now though...

Unless you meant one class upgrade per mission, and the player had to choose between which class to boost.

Wouldn't be sad if Matthias died and we never actually learned anything about his character? He would be the most one dimensional character we'd ever have in the forum... I think.

Anyhow, off to work soon.

[Dracorion]

Okay. We need to formulate a plan "Kill Matthias".