Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 702

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 07:12 AM

It's just so...uneventful.
Given the importance of Karkat and Terezi you'd kind of hope that they'd actually have important death scenes, like, at least as much emphasis on their demise and the scenes leading up to their demise as characters like Kanaya, Tavros, Feferi and godforsaken Eridan.

What's funny is how in retrospect many of us complained and moaned about about those characters getting a raw deal in their death scenes, but I wish Karkat and Terezi had even that amount of marginal attention paid to them. No final conversations with the kids? No final thoughts shared amongst each other? Not even like a valiant standoff against Gamzee that Jack interrupts?

Of course I wouldn't put it past me for this to be a hint that the deaths aren't final, but even then, I'm not sure how to erase these deaths without the resolution feeling like a cop-out (or the whole sequence feeling like a waste of time.)

How exactly John plans the scratch with 'Karkat' remains to be seen, though. I thought Karkat had a pretty hefty role to come in that.

CelesJessa · 06-01-2011, 07:58 AM

The update:

D:

Bard The 5th LW · 06-01-2011, 10:05 AM

Aradia and Vriska are the only ones still alive then. Possibly Gamzee. Actually, I think Kanaya has a chance to, why bring her back if you're going to kill her again for no reason?

I'm still holding out hope that we'll get to see some other stuff with them later, like flashback material. Homestuck has never been particularly linear. What I really want more than anything is a Karkat/Gamzee showdown. If that happens I'll forgive this.

Loyal · 06-01-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolving Ocelot

Oh. Huh.

I'm getting the impression John's going to make a Red Dwarf reference soon after he gets up.

And then it was revealed that the entirety of Homestuck was just the longest setup ever to say that line.

Aldurin · 06-01-2011, 10:22 AM

Who does Gamzee kill next on his murder spree? Will Kanaya suddenly run up to kick Jack in the nuts too? Will Vriska somehow die from the impending ass-kicking? Tune in to the next update to find out.

But yeah now that Karkat and Terezi are dead it's pretty much guaranteed that the dream bubbles somehow play into them going back.

Arcanum · 06-01-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Of course I wouldn't put it past me for this to be a hint that the deaths aren't final, but even then, I'm not sure how to erase these deaths without the resolution feeling like a cop-out (or the whole sequence feeling like a waste of time.)

How exactly John plans the scratch with 'Karkat' remains to be seen, though. I thought Karkat had a pretty hefty role to come in that.

Dream Bubbles.

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanum

Dream Bubbles.

But we're still left with the question of, why would Karkat actually want to assist John in facilitating the Scratch if the Scratch leads to the very circumstances that condemn the trolls to their demise and that specifically leads to Karkat and Terezi being killed by Jack's own machinations?

In Vriska's case I could see her rationalizing it as necessary to preserve the alpha timelines or because 'destiny demands it' or something, but I don't perceive Karkat as buying into that with similar vigor.

I guess what I'm saying is that it originally made sense to me back when I theorized that 'John meeting Karkat' meant that the Scratch would be a two-way sort of portal where the future-trolls were sent to the kid's timeline and Jack gets zapped to the past-trolls timeline. It even makes sense if the kids joined up with the future-trolls in the troll session. But if 'meeting Karkat again' is a matter of just seeing each other in the afterlife I can't really fathom why they'd be eager to manifest the conditions of the Scratch in the first place.

Bard The 5th LW · 06-01-2011, 12:31 PM

We'll probably get the answer to that as it happens. Maybe Karkat just didn't know that he personally was going to die? I dunno.

But I don't see Dream Bubbles being a means of revival. They're all just ghosts sans Aradia and the dreamers.

Kim · 06-01-2011, 12:34 PM

Actually, Karkat could totally have made those plans with John already. We don't know when Jack reaching their thing and when John's last convo with Karkat are relative each other on the timeline.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 06-01-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

Actually, Karkat could totally have made those plans with John already. We don't know when Jack reaching their thing and when John's last convo with Karkat are relative each other on the timeline.

I dunno...John seemed awfully cheeryto be talking to Karkat right before he made the Scratch happen. From his perspective, If Karkat died to Jack almost immediately after, then his last talk with him would be "JOHN I AM GONNA DIE I HOPE YOU CAN SUCCEED AS A LEADER WHERE I FAILED". You'd think he would have more of a reaction from Karkat suddenly showing up again.

Unless John has completely flipped his shit and doesn't care about Karkat's fate by that point.

06-01-2011, 07:12 AM	#7011
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	It's just so...uneventful. Given the importance of Karkat and Terezi you'd kind of hope that they'd actually have important death scenes, like, at least as much emphasis on their demise and the scenes leading up to their demise as characters like Kanaya, Tavros, Feferi and godforsaken Eridan. What's funny is how in retrospect many of us complained and moaned about about those characters getting a raw deal in their death scenes, but I wish Karkat and Terezi had even that amount of marginal attention paid to them. No final conversations with the kids? No final thoughts shared amongst each other? Not even like a valiant standoff against Gamzee that Jack interrupts? Of course I wouldn't put it past me for this to be a hint that the deaths aren't final, but even then, I'm not sure how to erase these deaths without the resolution feeling like a cop-out (or the whole sequence feeling like a waste of time.) How exactly John plans the scratch with 'Karkat' remains to be seen, though. I thought Karkat had a pretty hefty role to come in that. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

06-01-2011, 07:58 AM	#7012
CelesJessa DA-DA-DA-DAA DAA DAA DA DA-DAAAAAA! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Zanzibar Land Posts: 6,531	Noooo The update: D: __________________

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06-01-2011, 10:05 AM	#7013
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Aradia and Vriska are the only ones still alive then. Possibly Gamzee. Actually, I think Kanaya has a chance to, why bring her back if you're going to kill her again for no reason? I'm still holding out hope that we'll get to see some other stuff with them later, like flashback material. Homestuck has never been particularly linear. What I really want more than anything is a Karkat/Gamzee showdown. If that happens I'll forgive this.

06-01-2011, 10:22 AM	#7015
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	Who does Gamzee kill next on his murder spree? Will Kanaya suddenly run up to kick Jack in the nuts too? Will Vriska somehow die from the impending ass-kicking? Tune in to the next update to find out. But yeah now that Karkat and Terezi are dead it's pretty much guaranteed that the dream bubbles somehow play into them going back.

06-01-2011, 12:31 PM	#7018
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	We'll probably get the answer to that as it happens. Maybe Karkat just didn't know that he personally was going to die? I dunno. But I don't see Dream Bubbles being a means of revival. They're all just ghosts sans Aradia and the dreamers.

06-01-2011, 12:34 PM	#7019
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Actually, Karkat could totally have made those plans with John already. We don't know when Jack reaching their thing and when John's last convo with Karkat are relative each other on the timeline.