Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Lithp

Shit, they're on to me! Well, since you asked so nicely...I'll do you even better. Can you say, Don Sosuke Sharktopus?

But, seriously, this is all a matter of asking a loaded question. If you ask for "proof" of a character's demise, this is what people are going to tell you.

Aerozord, I really don't know what you expect to get out of me. Surely we've had enough dealings that you know I don't do arguments from illogic. Just because something CAN happen, it doesn't mean we should consider it at all likely.

Also, the solution with the most evidence is the most valid according to Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor can't prove something correct. True/false=/=Valid/invalid.

As Aerozord said, Occam's Razor simply doesn't apply to fiction the same way it applies to most things.
You drop a ball, you can tell where it's going to go by Occam's Razor because it will take the simplest path down.

You give a ball to Tite Kubo, you can't say "He's going to take the simplest path to get that ball to the ground" because he's a nutjob and can throw it in any direction he pleases.

Knowing him, he'll stare you in the eyes and ask when it was you started to think Gravity worked, then toss the ball in the air and walk away. Leaving it perpetually floating.

[Kim]

And Lithp would defend it because the story never said gravity worked we just assumed it did.

[Lithp]

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]) is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem). The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. However, this is often confused, as the 'simple' "is really referring to the theory with the fewest new assumptions."

I'm not misusing this term. At all.

And I do not do arguments from illogic. I said that already.

If you want me to accept the notion that "occam's razor doesn't apply here," you're beating a dead horse.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I am of the firm belief that Occam's Razor should not apply to Bleach, or most other such show/manga/movie/book in the same Genre.

It doesn't really adhere to reality at all. Did anyone expect the Soul Tunnel to also Freeze Time? No. If someone did expect that, it would have made quite a few assumptions, yet still have been accurate.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Lithp

I'm not misusing this term. At all.

And I do not do arguments from illogic. I said that already.

yea and I can say I peered into Tite Kubo's mind and am aware of his depraved mind. Doesn't mean that I actually do.

[edit] no better proof this chapter is dull, then this entire argument

[Sithdarth]

The problem with any fictional work, and Tite Kubo in particular, is that they are not bound by any logic but their own internal logic and sometimes not even that. The author, if he/she is any good, builds up an internal logical system as part of building the world and the story inside it. Sometimes this built logical system fits almost perfectly with the real world. Most of the time it doesn't and even worse on occasion you get a Tite Kubo. When dealing with fictional works one must learn the new logical system inherent in the work and work within it even if it seems illogical. You must also accept the sometimes even the logical rules of the world itself will be broken or that the imperfect information you have might make it seem like one set of rules are in place when they are not. In short, it isn't meaningless to theorize about a fictional work as long as you realize that there are essentially no rules and sometimes you have to submit to the illogic of the author.

In other news I'm very scared that we aren't going to get to see the end of Ichigo's internal struggle. It almost seems like Kubo is setting up the heroic entrance again and Ichigo is just going to pop up out of nowhere and stop the bad guys.

[IHateMakingNames]

The only character I care about at all at this point is Gin. There is something going on with him, what with just being creepy and the only guy left with Aizen.

There were other characters I liked, but I've since given up on them. Once a character not Ichigo gets their spotlight moment, they are immediately forgotten about, maybe coming back after 100+ chapters to hit something then go away. Gin (and maybe the playboy student) are the only guys left with a big reveal coming, excluding Aizen/Ichigo since they have limitless amounts.

[Aerozord]

Crazy Theory #34: The REAL real reason for this, is for Aizen to not gain power, become god, make the ultimate weapon, its simply to make a world that will accept him and Gin's forbidden love

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

Crazy Theory #34: The REAL real reason for this, is for Aizen to not gain power, become god, make the ultimate weapon, its simply to make a world that will accept him and Gin's forbidden love

You've been reading my fictions!

[Lithp]

no better proof this chapter is dull, then this entire argument

We can at least agree on this.

It doesn't really adhere to reality at all. Did anyone expect the Soul Tunnel to also Freeze Time? No. If someone did expect that, it would have made quite a few assumptions, yet still have been accurate.

Umm...no. Yoruichi made mention way back in the Soul Society Arc that the tunnel expelled them in a different timeline than was expected. True, the "1 hour is equal to blah" thing wasn't there, but you don't have to "assume" anything to know that the tunnel does something like that. It was stated in its first appearance.

The problem with any fictional work, and Tite Kubo in particular, is that they are not bound by any logic but their own internal logic and sometimes not even that.

Actually, the problem is that this is an endless chain of "There's no logic in Bleach"/"Yes there is" & no one is going to budge on this.