Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Bard The 5th LW]

(Hell, there's still a minor flaw in the end of Act 3 flash)

I didn't notice it. Mind pointing it out so I can take a look?

[Mike McC]

Originally Posted by Doc ock rokc

Honestly if It Takes to much effort and not enough people notice it Then I don't think it matters enough to edit it.

I wasn't saying he should fix it. In fact, he very likely knows it is there (he mentioned that he was spending too much time on [S] Enter. and decided to just put it up even though there was some polish missing). Point is that he does make mistakes on these long flashes, so the theory crafting on some minor graphical details (like Jade not wearing the ring before being destroyed) should probably be reigned in for a day or so, when he has a chance to see his forums flipping out over it and go "oops".

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

I didn't notice it. Mind pointing it out so I can take a look?

One of the two Roses there has the wrong face (it's the smaller brighter one).

Like I said, it was minor.

[BitVyper]

I think the Trolls didn't so much screw up their game as they missed getting 100% completion. The credits roll and at the end, Eggman is still holding 3 out of 7 emeralds. Jack has all the markings of being a True Final Boss, and really, how often does the Evil King wind up being the main villain? If we're supposed to look at this like a videogame, the Black King is a pretty typical red herring. We knew about him too early on for him to wind up being the main villain.

Since dream selves seem to be less affected by timestream changes, I'm wondering if their dream selves existed before their paradox real selves. In their personal timelines, that is. Like an independent existence just based on the fact that this will one day happen. Like ripples in time or something. Makes me wonder if truly winning the game has something to do with causing their dream selves to exist outside the game.

Wasn't there a big bit of text early on that suggested things weren't quite right in John's world? If the dream self is the real one, that kind of thing would make some sense. At its core, this is still a parody of escape/adventure games.

One of the two Roses there has the wrong face (it's the smaller brighter one).

That seems like it might be an intentional stylistic choice.

[Mike McC]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I think the Trolls didn't so much screw up their game as they missed getting 100% completion. The credits roll and at the end, Eggman is still holding 3 out of 7 emeralds. Jack has all the markings of being a True Final Boss, and really, how often does the Evil King wind up being the main villain? If we're supposed to look at this like a videogame, the Black King is a pretty typical red herring. We knew about him too early on for him to wind up being the main villain.

No, this is the game pretty much being shattered. WE knew about the king because the Trolls told us, and not an in-game construct (which were pointing to the denizens first).

Originally Posted by BitVyper

That seems like it might be an intentional stylistic choice.

Nah, she had just the strained face in a shot before that, and it doesn't mesh well. I'm betting that it's just an error that's really not important enough to fix.

[katiuska]

Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea how the denizens play into all this? There are at least a few game goals that have been laid out, including:

1) killing the denizens,
2) using the grist obtained from the denizens for the Ultimate Alchemy,
3) reaching Skaia and defeating the black king and queen.

All I can guess right now is that they're more like level bosses, being the bosses of the individual planets.

[BitVyper]

WE knew about the king because the Trolls told us

We knew about the king because Nannaquin showed us right off the bat. Granted, what she showed could be leant to an abstract interpretation, but it still made the point. Here's a big obvious villain! Oh look, his psychotic underling usurped him and is a million times worse than he ever was. You'd see that coming a million miles away in a videogame.

this is the game pretty much being shattered.

Which may be the whole point.

[Donomni]

I would assume it is.

The game setting is obviously intended as a increasingly-super-impossibly elaborate game of chess(with a rank-wise addition of card games like poker, such as Jack, Queen, and King, not to mention the different suits).

At first, the Chess element is retained when the Black Queen is slain, due to the Queen not being the essential piece to a game of chess. The most powerful, perhaps, but not the piece that would mean insta-lose if lost.

The Chess motif is no longer relevant, however, when the Black King is slain by his own underling, which is impossible in Chess rules(a player could sacrifice the queen, but you cannot do the same to your king).

This new animation quite firmly cements that Jack/SS isn't in the mood for chess: Not only is he decimating both forces, he is literally destroying the playing field.

I dunno about his actual motives in full, but he really hates Chess.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Donomni

The Chess motif is no longer relevant

Not true, actually. There's still one pawn left alive on the board with an item that will, for all intents and purposes, transform him into a queen on the far end of it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah, but one king has been removed from play. Unless the game counts Jack as the new Black King, then it should have ended the moment the Black King died.

The rules apply to others, but clearly not Jack. I kind of see the Agents as a separate entity from the game. They don't have to abide by the rules, as they aren't quite chess pieces.

[Kim]

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