Infraction Bullshit

[krogothwolf]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

Well, if this thing ever does become another childish, divisive flamewar like the whole UJ thing was, I can always fire up Diplomacy and we could settle things there.

Seriously, I will not miss that guy. He posted things that made me laugh. That's it. I can find plenty of that on the rest of the internet.

Like Diplomacy would solve a flame war.....it would just make it worse! Far Far worse! All the backstabbing and the frontstabbing and the playing allies against each other....actually that sounds like a great idea!

Edit: a PR guy would be a great thing! He could make announcements and spin them to make it seem like you are benevolent dictators!

On the note about Meister, he's never seemed like a bad mod to me at all. So I don't see what ya all are getting on him about.

[Token]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

I've been secretly waiting for that guy to get the banhammer bitchslap for a while now. Well, me and several others who will remain unnamed. I just hope this doesn't somehow become the Austrian Duke assassination of NPF.

May I take Fifth's place as resident asshole now?

According to you, NO. It's Asshat's time to shine, bitches!

More on topic, I'm not sure how I feel about this whole mess. Both sides are acting like assholes and shitheads. There's no black or white in this one, there's simply the question of whose douchiness is more acceptable. Hell if I know; the only thing I'm sure of is that NPF isn't nearly as fun as it was when I started lurking in '06. :/

[Seil]

the TEMPORARIUM.

It still never existed.

I mean the only reason I'm even here is because I find it absolutely absurd how much covering up is being done to put this entire thing to rest with practically no genuine interest to making things 'different' and instead just doing things how we always did sans Fifthfiend. It's like we're not telling the most popular kid to leave, but we're certainly making him feel unwelcome and pouring drinks down his suit.

Covering up? I don't think this is a conspiracy or anything, man, but there is something going down. Let's all step back for a second and write some of this down the way it happened:

1) Fifth banned Nightwhatsits because whatsits was being a dick.

2) Shiney and Meister, as many mods came forth and proclaimed that they were away or didn't want to get involved, rescinded Fifths mod-hood.

3) Drama storm filled with drama bananas, Shiney and Meister get a negative reputation for doing something controversial.

4) Fifthfiend leaves for a bit. Iuhnno where 'e went. Updated his blog.

5) Fifth comes back, and is a little over-enthusiastic. He goofs around for a bit, and forum business continues on as usual.

6) The VGCats Thread rolls around, and Blues states that

You know, I really did mean for this to be a discussion of what makes the base of a game, but looking at my reply in this thread, I mishandled that worse than I usually do.

I suppose I'll just make a new thread in the games forum with a bit more clarity.

Which is as much of an ending as the thread was ever gonna get. Fifth proclaims it a nonsense thread from that point on, and a few forumites join in.

7) The forumites and Fifth get an infraction for bein' spammy, which is kind of understandable.

8) Ho shit drama storm from a Non-Con thread where we're all yellin' at each other and we all get hot 'round the collars and Fifth gets banned.

/end fact list

So on one level, yes - Fifthfiend was a totally great, fun, intelligent guy. On the other hand, he was a mod who was kicked off the staff list because of the decision of two persons who received negative rep for it and because of their new reputation, people are lashing out against them.

I don't believe that Fifth should be perma-banned, but as a former mod he should've known better than to yell at people in public. As for the mod staff, they should know better than to yell at people in public. It should've been a private matter discussed atwixt those involved as it obviously deteriorated to being about Fifth and his former modship.

That's my opinion. Those are the facts that I know about. All I'm sayin' is that we're yelling at each other again an' I dun wanna see any more people perma-banned. So all of you - From Shiney and Meister to Mirai and Non-Con to whoever else. Follow the rules and argue in PMs. You might say some stuff you regret, but at least it'll be in private. Then we can all talk about the facts after we've cooled off and not get so angry at each other.

[Osterbaum]

Originally Posted by Krylo

I think we'd be well served if maybe this thread got closed and everyone kind of stepped back for a day. Maybe we could open a new one tomorrow if we really feel we still need to discuss this.

I'm not entirely convinced a new one would be opened and allowed to stay open. But I do feel that things need to be discussed, because whatever the original reasons, this whole mess has become far greater than it's source and it's not going to just go away forever.

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

Yes, because "make a decision" means "promote somebody."

We decided to not promote somebody.

Y'know, as I announced in this post.

Yeah cause that whole post isn't horseshit.

I mean everyone had been like "Hey hiring new people is a great idea!" then it was "Well, we decided not to, but we'll be looking into it in the future," and then it gets swept under the table. Again.

I mean jesus christ Fenris this isn't rocket science. New mods and rules was the only reason half the people were even partway sated, once you dangled the string of possible changes in front of the community you could just put the toy away and nobody would think about it after.

Again, this entire thing is just Shiney and Meister kicking Fifthfiend in the balls, over and over. Nobody's going to change anything, threads are going to be just as off-topic as ever, nobody's going to become a mod, no rules are going to be put into place, everyone's going to be as mean and sarcastic as ever. That's all it's ever been and that's all it will be.

Oh yeah and also if you prove me wrong by actually doing all the shit you were six months late to doing and therefore make this place better then oh man egg on my face.

Originally Posted by Synk

You should really let that one go. It's old news, we convinced him not to do it, and he's still an admin. I don't get why folks think he's not or was going to go away.

It's just an example of one of many times that "Oh things are going to change" then "Oh wait no they aren't." I have no dispute with it other than that.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Seil

That's my opinion. Those are the facts that I know about. All I'm sayin' is that we're yelling at each other again an' I dun wanna see any more people perma-banned. So all of you - From Shiney and Meister to Mirai and Non-Con to whoever else. Follw the rules and argue in PMs. You might say some stuff you regret, but at least it'll be in private.

No, this pretty explicitly needs to be a public conversation.

[Bob The Mercenary]

[Note on my previous posts]

I've deleted both of them because I'm drunk as fuck on Beringer Cabernet and really have no reason to post in here supporting either "side".

My offer for Diplomacy still stands though.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Seil

two persons who received negative rep for it and because of their new reputation, people are lashing out against them.

I do have to wonder if someone who folks hadn't been enjoying posting with for several years had been making the kinds of posts in question if people would be getting so up in arms.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

angry things

I hope you like eggs.

[bluestarultor]

Alright, I've been watching this train wreck and I'm now going to chime in.


First off, yeah, I got infracted, too, and I'll admit I'm a bit butthurt about it, given that it was my thread and I'd also just previously released it, so to speak, and made a different thread in a better forum which stayed to the topic I wanted. But at least this one will wear off in a month, so it's a warning and I'll make note of it.

On Fifth, let me first say I like the guy and relied on him heavily when he was a mod and even afterward. The entire thing with him leaves a bad taste in my mouth not because of any one-sided thing, but because it's just plain toxic all over. I realize how people felt about his demotion and I also realize how people feel now about his banning, but the fact of the matter is he was consistently subversive to the remaining staff and it sometimes was less tolerable than it could have been. He can always make another account, and when things finally settle between him and the staff, he'll be able to stay here as per the rules. Until then, he'll just be banned. It could be worse. For me, his original account is meaningless, because that's all it is, and when he comes back, I'll still like him on whatever new one he creates.

This is all being blown way out of proportion and I think everyone needs to take a few minutes to settle and think objectively, rather than sniping back and forth and getting less than nowhere. Nothing about the situation is irreversible and it's not going to get better until everyone can see that and work toward making things better.