GamerGate? Da fuq is a GamerGate?

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Doc ock rokc

Right so now you're on it because of 4chan's backing? 4chan is a festering shithole of all kinds of crap but sometimes but you so easily forget when 4chan systematically found and reported two kids who killed an endangered turtle. Yeah these guys are the worst of the worst at times but remember They think the journalists are acting worse then THEY are. Maybe that should send up a warning sign.

It originated with them, not just had their backing. There is not "Oh, NOW you say.." because I was out of ever being ok supporting Gamergate because THEY CREATED IT. All anyone else ever really did was give it a name, and Adam Baldwin is already one of those trash radical conservatives that other Cons try and tell you are 'fringe'.

I don't think I need to remind you that Channers also think black people, trans people, gay men and women, and anyone that isn't a channer in general is worse than them.

There is no red flag because

Originally Posted by shiney

...this whole thing is ostensibly about gender equality in the gaming industry used as a front to do what 4chan always does, harass and intimidate people online because it's fun.

Is exactly what is going on here and

Originally Posted by shiney

All I know is, if 4chan is involved, I sure as hell don't want to be.

is also super fucking true!

[Amake]

Maybe a tangent here, but I want to see if I've got this straight.

On the extremist side, we have group A: people for gamergate throwing abuse, threats, harassment, hate and lies at people they want to abuse, threaten, harass, hate and silence. And group B: people against gamergate doing the same things to people they don't like, including but possibly not limited to group A.

And on the moderate side we have group C: people for gamergate making excuses for, ignoring or downplaying group A to allow gamergate to be a label under which to work for better games journalism. And group D: people against gamergate trying to reduce the number of people who get abused.

Now, the only problem with siding against gamergate that I can see is maybe group D legitimizes B the same way C works for A. That may be something to think carefully about. But siding with gamergate means you think C's goals are more important than D's. That's some massively screwed up priorities. If your argument includes the phrase "Nobody deserves that, but" then it may be time to reconsider your life choices.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb

Right/wrong place at the right/wrong time, honestly. As I said, it was a slow buildup. Kinda one of those 'We've come to expect this behavior from AAA studios, but to see it happen on the indie scene? Knife to the back, man.' reactions.

This right here basically explains the difference in our reactions: You believe the fact that Zoey Quinn sparked GamerGate is mere coincidence, whereas I think the evidence pretty clearly establishes it wasn't coincidental at all.

And group B: people against gamergate doing the same things to people they don't like, including but possibly not limited to group A.

Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that I really doubt feminists and progressives are sending unprovoked rape and/or death threats against the GamerGate crowd.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Given all the publicly known examples of extremely shady shit AAA developers and publishers have been doing in the industry for years now?

My take: Misogyny by some, followed by the censoring of opinions and a discrepancy in what journalism thinks their public is and what it actually is and the fact that it's easier to focus on a single indie dev than on an entire company. It's not like this was the only terrible thing that happened in these past years, remember Kane and Lynch 2, or Mass Effect 3, or the Dead Island bust or the Assassin's Creed "female characters are hard to make" Unity thing? This is quite obviously a lot bigger than any of these, but these happened.

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

I don't think I need to remind you that Channers also think black people, trans people, gay men and women, and anyone that isn't a channer in general is worse than them.

I fucking go to 4chan and the worst you'll see of me is telling Nintendo fanboys that the Vita actually has games. 4chan also happens to have a /lgbt/ board which I'm pretty sure is thriving.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Ryong

I fucking go to 4chan and the worst you'll see of me is telling Nintendo fanboys that the Vita actually has games. 4chan also happens to have a /lgbt/ board which I'm pretty sure is thriving.

*sigh*
I wish I was a bit better at remembering the names of logical fallacies, because I'm pretty sure your personal, anecdotal experience enjoying 4Chan and being a decent person on 4Chan is in no way relevant to ascertaining 4Chan's general reputation.

It's directly akin to me saying, "I'm a man and I'm a nice guy who wouldn't dare hurt a woman, therefore women must be crazy when they attack men in general!" No, that's just not the way it works. When people here are attacking 4Chan, they're not attacking you or your personal experiences on 4Chan or whatever the fuck you may enjoy about it, they're attacking 4Chan as a whole, which has a well-deserved reputation that has nothing to do with saving endangered sea turtles one time or chatting about the Vita.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Ryong

I fucking go to 4chan and the worst you'll see of me is telling Nintendo fanboys that the Vita actually has games. 4chan also happens to have a /lgbt/ board which I'm pretty sure is thriving.

You self-identify as a channer, inundate yourself in that culture, way of thinking, wear it as a badge of pride and honer in your social circles, then participate in their raids and trolling excursions?

No?

Then I wasn't talking about you, was I?

If you are going to get hyper-defensive about someone straight up telling the ugly truth about how garbage a website is, I would highly suggest you don't associate with that website

[Ryong]

Yeah sure, it is anecdotal evidence, but the fact is that I'm not alone like that there. There are boards for a lot of different things, it's as if you just claimed the internet has nothing good in it because.

[Amake]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that I really doubt feminists and progressives are sending unprovoked rape and/or death threats against the GamerGate crowd.

Well, allowing for the most generous/fanciful explanations available for why people saying that gamergate is a hurting people are wrong.

[shiney]

I think we can agree for the purpose of this discussion that the moniker 'channers' refers to the people who do the horrible stuff and not the people who avoid it. 4chan isn't known as a home for thoughtful discourse. It's known as the acne-riddled grundle of the internet. Despite that there are genuine people who go there for other reasons, we aren't talking about those people and by extension, aren't talking about you.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by shiney

I think we can agree for the purpose of this discussion that the moniker 'channers' refers to the people who do the horrible stuff and not the people who avoid it. 4chan isn't known as a home for thoughtful discourse. It's known as the acne-riddled grundle of the internet. Despite that there are genuine people who go there for other reasons, we aren't talking about those people and by extension, aren't talking about you.

That said I think it might be a good idea, if you you don't like being associated with the majority of personalities that frequent 4chan and give it its reputation, then not associating with them at all is your best bet.

I mean, hey, I use the SomethingAwful forums for easy access to guilds in MMOS and Minecraft servers, and some dev interactions, and while I try to avoid shitty parts of the community and I don't identify as a 'Goon', I still get people that rage and shit on me in games for being part of it, and I really don't blame them for it, and SA has a lot better reputation than 4chan ever will!