Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[russianreversal]

Originally Posted by Ryanderman

I'm not so sure anymore. I have some evidence from a source I can't reveal at the moment that led me to believe he was lying. But further reflection makes me think I was a bit hasty to come to that conclusion, though it could still be valid.

I don't think you've actually said anything in that entire paragraph that you haven't immediately after rendered void or useless. It sounds like a hastily thrown together defense written by a criminal taken off guard. I didn't think I'd find anyone suspicious enough for a vote before I died, but now Ryanderman has proved me wrong.

UNVOTE: RR; VOTE: Ryanderman

Opinion: If/once you lynch me, you should look more closely into Ryander. He's hiding something, and it seems real scummy at any rate.

EDIT for below: No, people are wrong all the time. But to defend yourself without actually giving any evidence or source (or both, in Ryander's case) to back it up is not a very good defense. He didn't really make a point with that post, which happens to be about the same crime that I was voted for several times before in this game itself.

[Aerozord]

well I'm still new to this but I wanted to check

so if someone admits they are wrong, that means they are scum?

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

well I'm still new to this but I wanted to check

so if someone admits they are wrong, that means they are scum?

Depends on how they do it. It doesn't help that some games, particularly this one some people will go "You breathed Oxygen. Clearly that was scum-like behavior. Your body in-took more than the amount necessary, and we were in an environment with limited oxygen you would have selfishly consumed some that someone else would have needed to survive an extra three seconds in a scenario that doesn't matter. Scum!"

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Okay, I exaggerated the example a little, but some FoS' have been a bit crazy.

If its something they come up with that has references to posts to back it up and its obvious it was an actual mistake, then no, it isn't really scum. But if its like "Ooops" after getting someone killed that wasn't scum, oh yes, it certainly is scummy. It can also be a mistake though.

I still wonder how Raven, who confirmed himself as a potent role, is still alive unscratched. At least his claim of protecting Tendronai makes Tendy's story believable. I suppose this could be a case of WiFom or whatever that retarded acronym is but it doesn't look right regardless.

[Ryanderman]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

well I'm still new to this but I wanted to check

so if someone admits they are wrong, that means they are scum?

Not generally, as far as I know. But then, I was wasn't really admitting I was wrong. I was saying I could be wrong about October Raven protecting Tendronai, but that the evidence I have still makes me think he's of the scum type. And no, I'm not going to elaborate, because while it's enough to convince me, it's probably not enough to convince the rest of you, and I don't want to compromise my source. That's why I'm not trying to convince anyone of his guilt, just voting my opinion.

[Pink Bunny]

Implying you have a masonry doesn't really help you honestly.

[Tendronai]

Originally Posted by russianreversal

According to Tendronai, protect.

I just noticed this, and I want to make one thing clear. I'm not actually sure if October was the one who protected me or if he's just claiming it to try to lure out the bodyguard. I do know that Zilla came up as a replacement Don, meaning whoever she targeted was guarded. I'm assuming it was me, since the cult wouldn't want their culted targets being revealed and giving away their numbers, but I'm not actually 100% sure of it.

Which is why I'm not voting Ryan yet. If there's actual proof that October wasn't the one guarding me, I'd like to hear it so I can confirm a suspicion.

[DarthMauler64]

Unvote: RR
FoS:Ryanderman

The reason for this was because, the only reason I voted for RR was because he was on Newb's list. I don't know the reason he was on Newb's list however.

Right now I can at least see for myself that Ryander is suspicious, but I don't want to vote him yet.

Ryander, is there anything you could reveal from your source? Reading your posts, it sounded to me like your source didn't directly state that October didn't protect Tendronai, but rather implied it through clues or something. If I'm right could you at least give the clues or something? Or correct me if I'm totally wrong.

[Ape Boy]

Normally, I don't trust somebody when they say "my sources" in Mafia.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that it's more likely for someone with information to have the role power themselves or to be scummy. This doesn't account for people that're masoned, but if you have "sources" in Mafia games, they're more likely to be scum related than not.

FoS: Ryanderman

[DarthMauler64]

Thats probably true. But I wanted to give Ryander a chance to prove he's telling the truth.

[P-Sleazy]

Newb was masoned to a mafia don...according to Tendronai while according to Newb he was a Town Aligned PO. So masonry ain't gonna help a whole lot unless we know for 100% all the roles of the mason group.