Please say I'm not the only one...

Hatake Kakashi · 04-29-2005, 11:47 PM

... who is disturbed by the ethical questions these new practices are raising. Granted, I know that we've been testing drugs out on animals (as well as other products), but now this? The implications of the effects of this stuff boggles the mind. I could see doing something like this in a growing vat or a petri-dish...

But not like this. Your thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050430/..._animal_mixing

PyrosNine · 04-30-2005, 12:10 AM

I'll admit this is quite wrong, but we need not worry about it getting too far out there. Animal DNA and Human DNA is quite far apart, so there's a fairly thin chance that we could use organ's made within them in ourselves for compatibility. Wonder what these sheep's life expectancy is? A human heart won't work quite as well in a sheep as in a sheep heart. And I'm fairly sure their liver is much better than ours. So we'll find this pursuit futile, and that it was simply spawned from scientists having too much free time.

krunchyfrogg · 04-30-2005, 12:11 AM

Sounds like you need to join:

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Cracked But Not Broken · 04-30-2005, 12:12 AM

What do you mean disturbed, this is a major leap in science, do you know what could be accomplished with these experiments...

PyrosNine · 04-30-2005, 12:12 AM

No. Just... No.

Anyway to sum up my previous post, any organ made in these animals will be a human/sheep hybrid, and might not work well in a normal sheep or human.

Azisien · 04-30-2005, 12:33 AM

Yup, I see nothing wrong with this. At all. There will always be people who oppose these kinds of progressions through science, but they'll go through anyway. All power to them.

Cracked But Not Broken · 04-30-2005, 12:34 AM

No it wouldn't be a hybris their putting the dna/chromosones of which make the humans heart/blood/liver/whatever into the sheep, so it is not a hydrid, but the real thing, and a human heart probably would work better in a sheep than a sheep heart because are heart is more evovled and also built for a larger mammal. Just recently there was sheep which was geneticaly manufactured to produce human milk as apposed to sheep milk. not half and half, completely human milk. They could manufacture blood like this and save lives, they could make human brains and may be someday do a minor transplant and cure isolated brain diseases, sure it would be animal cruelty, i guess, But it could save thousands upon thousands of lives...

Krylo · 04-30-2005, 12:42 AM

The only problem I see there is the ethical commitee's decision to kill any animals that start to act like humans. If they become self aware then we're no better than they are and we don't have the right to kill them anymore. Even if we did create them as the bastard children of science.

But the hearts? livers? The healing mice with human stem cells? Who cares? A liver doesn't make a human.

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Nique · 04-30-2005, 02:39 AM

This seems wrong to me... I think there are some personal belifes that lead me to that conclusion, but even on the secular-logic side of it, I see more harm than good coming from gene splicing... (Now that I think about it... anyone ever see this in 'Batman Beyond'? ...Man, I'm such a 20-year-old-kid.)

Ink_Blot · 04-30-2005, 08:09 AM

This is a great thing for people. You could save so many lives that people will study it, even with opposition. So many deaths would be stopped by using organs or tissue from an animal.

Quote:

Doctors have transplanted pig valves into human hearts for years, and scientists have injected human cells into lab animals for even longer.

These things are just steps in the natural progression of this study. If it continues, we could wipe out a lot of deaths in the world that are due to organ problems. Let me raise this example: A 45-year-old has cancer in one of his vital organs. It is very aggressive and is spreading quickly. He has tried kemotherapy and it didn't work. The only way for him really to live would be getting a replacement for that organ before it spreads through the bloodstream so there is a lot less cancer cells that they need to get rid of. Wouldn'tthat be a worthwile cause?

Another example: Scientests are growing organs in animals alot now so they have enough for the people who need it. Lets say that a baby is born with undersized lungs or a small heart. The baby can be saved because scientests grow hearts and lungs and have them ready for transplant now. Think of the mother's releif and her possible saddness if there had been no heart or lungs for transplant.

04-30-2005, 12:10 AM	#2
PyrosNine Zettai Hero Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A figment of my own imagination Posts: 6,103	I'll admit this is quite wrong, but we need not worry about it getting too far out there. Animal DNA and Human DNA is quite far apart, so there's a fairly thin chance that we could use organ's made within them in ourselves for compatibility. Wonder what these sheep's life expectancy is? A human heart won't work quite as well in a sheep as in a sheep heart. And I'm fairly sure their liver is much better than ours. So we'll find this pursuit futile, and that it was simply spawned from scientists having too much free time. __________________ Pyrosnine.blogspot.com: An experimental blog of writing. Updated possibly daily. Possibly. A fair chance. Current Works for reading: War Between them, Karma Police. PyrosNine: Weirdo Magnet Extraordinaire!

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04-30-2005, 12:12 AM	#5
PyrosNine Zettai Hero Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A figment of my own imagination Posts: 6,103	No. Just... No. Anyway to sum up my previous post, any organ made in these animals will be a human/sheep hybrid, and might not work well in a normal sheep or human. __________________ Pyrosnine.blogspot.com: An experimental blog of writing. Updated possibly daily. Possibly. A fair chance. Current Works for reading: War Between them, Karma Police. PyrosNine: Weirdo Magnet Extraordinaire!

04-30-2005, 12:34 AM	#7
Cracked But Not Broken Mind On Hiatus. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Winnipeg, MB Posts: 61	No it wouldn't be a hybris their putting the dna/chromosones of which make the humans heart/blood/liver/whatever into the sheep, so it is not a hydrid, but the real thing, and a human heart probably would work better in a sheep than a sheep heart because are heart is more evovled and also built for a larger mammal. Just recently there was sheep which was geneticaly manufactured to produce human milk as apposed to sheep milk. not half and half, completely human milk. They could manufacture blood like this and save lives, they could make human brains and may be someday do a minor transplant and cure isolated brain diseases, sure it would be animal cruelty, i guess, But it could save thousands upon thousands of lives... __________________ If you can read this you are more insane than I. I Can Tell You Why People Go Insane, I Can Show You How You Can Do The Same. I Can Tell You Why The End Will Never Come, I Can Tell You On The Shadow On The Sun. The Murder rate has gone down 20%. But the amount of murders covered on news stations has gone up 721%, whats with that. When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed...

04-30-2005, 12:33 AM	#6
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Yup, I see nothing wrong with this. At all. There will always be people who oppose these kinds of progressions through science, but they'll go through anyway. All power to them.

04-30-2005, 12:42 AM	#8
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	The only problem I see there is the ethical commitee's decision to kill any animals that start to act like humans. If they become self aware then we're no better than they are and we don't have the right to kill them anymore. Even if we did create them as the bastard children of science. But the hearts? livers? The healing mice with human stem cells? Who cares? A liver doesn't make a human. Also: Krunchyfrogg--No spamming discussion, like that. You've been warned. __________________ I am very tired.

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