Pokemon Umbral Discussion 37: You Don't Want To Enter This Thread

[Astral Harmony]

What did I just tell you?! Well, since you were retarded brave enough to open the thread, I guess I should reward you with something that will help the brainbleach go down more smoothly.



I didn't know Dawn wanted to be a Weapon Meister.

I'll try to have the post done tonight. Moera is fighting really hard to win the gold trophy from Charlotte in the Most Evil Bitch Ever contest.

EDIT: Good, it's done. I'm going to bed. I'll try to be up at an early time to answer your questions before I go to work in the morning.

[Geminex]

Basically, the only cavet I would make about that is that characters who dualclass into something with a different focus can be strong in a role he/she wasn't good at before. However, their effectiveness should not be as effective as someone who has the same class but more levels in it.

Yes. This is what I mean. Sure, people should get a few different specializations, get good at lots of things! But if Pierce got one or two abilities, and suddenly he was as good a supporter as Renny is, then Pierce's new abilities would have to be reevaluated.

Also, we should keep in mind that we should not insist that specialization should be unique, but is ultimately up to the player. Just because Impact and Pierce and Charlotte are leaning toward a certain level of aggressive skills doesn't mean that Renny should be strong-armed into only getting medic related skills just because most of his moves are like that. However the skills should be guided by having a certain pre-resequite classes or its basic power is not arrogantly competing with others, especially those who specialize in that field. Anyhow, redundant specialities can be useful if someone get knocked out or seperated or run out of rage or other such things.

Not sure what you're saying here. If it's just that several characters can (and even should) specialize in the same thing, with similar methods, then you have my full agreement. Though, like I said above, I also agree that, when one character spends a lot of time specializing, then any other characters should have to put in equal time and effort before they get as good as them in that aspect.

Yes, of course RennyxLola remains under my (and Drac's) personal protection. I doubt Matt would try to seduce her away from you, and if Bard made Charlotte try, it'd totally be worth compensating you. ^^

The other reason is basically that I want something minimally cool too as a token of good faith. :3
I'm not happy because Charlotte gets to be leader as part of the agreement as well as gradually being promised promotion to what could very well be supreme command of THE brute squad of the sequel when/if Impact goes for world domination, Pierce gets out of the favor he owe Impact AND promised to be the next leader after Charlotte initial leadership run. Matt and I on the other hand get nothing offered to us for the purpose of the deal while still being told to hope that the deal would ultimately be for the good of us all!

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You say you ask for a 'token of good faith'. You say you are not yet satisfied with my motives.
That is a lie.

Greed, Menarker. Greed is what drives you. Not two pages ago, you tell me:

I'll however more or less hold to the agreement. I wasn't in total disagreement as more on concerned on the "fine print" that one player (You) would be more or less deciding the standards of power of techniques.

You seemed... satisfied. You will benefit from Impact no longer leading, from no longer being bound to him, and you know that. Yet, now you tell me that this is not enough. That you want more.
What you ask for is not a token of good faith, Menarker. It is a bribe.
I compromised with Dracorion, because he took his position to begin with, he stood by it. I respect that. He defended his interests consistently. I still think it was a mistake to negotiate with him in the manner that I did. It is a mistake I will not make again.

I will certainly not make the mistake of compromising with you now. Agree to the deal, and I will forget that you made this request and show you... goodwill next time we negotiate. Considering that we will have to negotiate the exact guidelines soon, you will 4LMOST C3RT41NLY B3N3F1T FROM TH1S!
BUT 1 W1LL NOT BR1B3 YOU. NO!
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Also, AB, I think I hate you now. Why is Misty even under the table? Is that... a vido camera? Oh lord.

Also, also I'm back, bitches. Posting a plan within the next 5 hours.

[Dracorion]

Oh wow...

I'm seriously considering dumping Shizuka for Irene now. Talk about MILF, huh?

Oh man, Pierce is going to have so much fun with his Psyshade. Whatever your plan says, Geminex, Pierce's trainer attack is going to have Psyshade Pierce getting a faceful of Phantom Staff.

Also, AB, care to update us on the progress that Tyranistorm is making in turning the water to mud and eliminating the splash effect?

Oh, and Geminex, Menarker was pressed for time when he posted that, I think. For all you know it was meant to be tentative agreement until he had time to read everything/write up a proper post.

[Menarker]

AB: I'm curious about Togekiss' status. From the status description, you made it sound like Togekiss managed to endure the AOE part of the laser and snapped back to normal when Moera was "defeated".

Dominated Togekiss has taken great damage. Moera Zwei has been defeated. Togekiss has return to Renny's Pokeball.

Yes, Dominated Togekiss has taken great damage, but then Togekiss got returned to Renny's pokeball. Should I assume it is still healthy and not KOed? Just wanted to clarify.


Are the two new arrivals Irene and Melanie permanent members? If so, I probably should copy-paste their entries into the database.

Also...

- Watchmen Formation Update: Irene and Melanie have created a formation on the other side of the Harbingers of Ascension formation. The formations cannot use items on each other.

- Shock Trooper Skill: Powerful Presense ~ AllStat +1 to all allied units in formation. Irene's raw talent just seems to bleed on everyone and make them want to tear motherfuckers up as well.

Does Irene's stat boost works on the Watchmen's formation on the other side or only really effect Melanie?

Psyshades can actually fight and defend themselves like those they are modeled after.

Does this mean they are able to use Techniques? >_> I'd imagine the Renny Psyshade to either be the most USELESS because Renny's Serene Blessing rely on Togekiss, can't benefit from Prosperous Gift with no actual affection from Lola and Psyshades being immune to items anyhow, and Renny naturally being the weakest fighter in the group. >_> Unless Psyshades are able to mimic the pokemons sent out by Renny or something or the Renny Psyshade is much stronger than its small frame would seem? If it turns out the Psyshade can use his abilities without needing the requirements like Togekiss, then yeah, he'd be a real pest.



Keep in mind that I was on vacation most of the time over the past week and my internet was limited. I also said you were busy in extensive discussion with Drac over his "bribe" and specifics of the overall deal were being pounded down and refined bit by bit, so I didn't want to get into discussions that I didn't have enough time to follow through with all the way during my vacation.

But fine. I'll recall on my request then, if mainly because the entire group needs that promised goodwill during the writing of the guidelines to powers and abilities.

[Geminex]

I am sympathetic to your internet-less plight. But if you had needed further time to consider, I would have put negotiations on hold. Waited a few days at least. Instead, you committed.

But that is immaterial now. I am glad I could persuade you.
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Hmm...
I've missed quite a bit of stuff. Do we know what's super-effective against Betas?

[Menarker]

Betas are considered mutated humans and have the same weakness to poison and fire.

Irene has a legendary poison/dragon type with its strongest attack being a 170 power poison move before taking STAB in consideration. (And her pokemon has an innate +1 stage boost just standing near her.)

The Psyshades and the Psytellite are all Psychic type, so dark, ghost and bug will naturally be of good use.

[Geminex]

Kay.

And eh, my flight's going earlier than expected. If you can wait for 48 hours, I'll have a plan. If not, my advice would be to hit the spytellites and Psy-Renny. Throw a trainer attack or two into Moera's direction. Also, find out how to un-dominate the asuras.

[Menarker]

It's possible that domination is related to concentration, since Togekiss is back in Renny's pokeball after Moera was "defeated" the first time (although I'm confirming with AB to make sure it wasn't knocked out).

However, Moera is stuck in God-Mode with invincibility. She apparently can't be hurt until the Psytellites and maybe the Psyshades are defeated.

So the order of combat seems to have to be

Psytellites
Psyshades
Moera (Cannot be attacked at this time.)
Betas (Not a priority technically, but they will cause problems. However, they can be attacked at any time.)

One of the things I thought of was havimg Melanie use an AttackUp boosting item twice on Irene's Unownuat, giving it a total of +3 stage boost and having it use Explosion at the same turn that Renny activates Serene Blessing and people either protect themselves or send out pokemons that might not be useful in the near future. However, it would only hit the Betas and the Psytellites (Psyshades immune to normal type attacks and Moera is invincible).

AB, what does DeepFreeze do?

Frostmourne (Ice, 100% Frozen, 25% DeepFreeze)

[Dracorion]

Actually Menarker, check this out.

- Attacks: same as the person whose image they assume. Psyshades tend to gain some additional powers if the person whose image they assume is generally not a powerful fighter to begin with.

So Psyshade Renny would actually be more powerful than Renny. Though it still may be the weakest of the bunch. Psyshade Pierce may be more powerful than Pierce, too. That's going to be fun.

Also, I reiterate: Pierce's trainer attack is going at PsyPierce. There will be no discussing this.

Anyway, AB, since Toxicroak went down, shouldn't Moonbeam Disco have hit Moera and Asura Betas D, E and F instead of just D and E?

Also, shouldn't Impact's Swarm Bow have dealt, I dunno, a little more damage to Moera? It's supposed to be more powerful than your average pokemon attack, after all. And Bug is super-effective against Psychic 'n shit.

And what are Melanie's and Irene's Rages at? 50?

It's possible that Renny's Togekiss wasn't knocked out and it just returned to its pokeball because Moera was defeated at the same time and it couldn't very well occupy the spot being used by Swampert right now.

Un-Dominating the Betas... well, I imagine we would have to take out Moera again, and we can't very well do that right now. I don't actually see any indication that taking out the Psytellites or Psyshades will bring down Moera's shield.

For all we know, we'll have to take out every enemy, and even then it's not like we'd be forcing her to bring it down. She'd do it herself because she'd need to get on the offensive so she can, y'know, kill us. Though, let's face facts, she'll probably take the shield down in a couple of turns, as soon as we've put a bit of a dent in her formation.

Anyway, if we can't use Charlotte's Future Shock yet, we could have her use Arceus' Testament Drive on Beta B or C.

Lexhur can use Grill Gore to desvastating effects, since just about everything on the field is Psychic type. And if Rachel uses a couple of Rage Rockets on both Pierce and Impact, and Pierce uses a Rage Rocket on himself, we could have some C,C&C goodness as well as Hellfire.

Not to mention, Harliette currently has enough Rage for Desperado.

[Menarker]

Does this mean they are able to use Techniques? >_> I'd imagine the Renny Psyshade to either be the most USELESS because Renny's Serene Blessing rely on Togekiss, can't benefit from Prosperous Gift with no actual affection from Lola and Psyshades being immune to items anyhow, and Renny naturally being the weakest fighter in the group. >_> Unless Psyshades are able to mimic the pokemons sent out by Renny or something or the Renny Psyshade is much stronger than its small frame would seem? If it turns out the Psyshade can use his abilities without needing the requirements like Togekiss, then yeah, he'd be a real pest.

Yeah, I realized that in the first place, Drac, but Renny doesn't have any special attacks of his own or any weapons like Pierce or Charlotte has. Hell, Renny never done a single Trainer Attack ever! Hence why I figured they Psyshade might use the trainer's pokemon possibly, and I was wondering if they were capable of using our techniques without worrying about the requirements or drawbacks.


Otherwise, I agree with everything you said above except for two things:

1: Charlotte would be better off just having Arceus use Focus-ed Judgement. It'll be poison typed (super effective) due to the poison plate on it, power of 150 BEFORE the focus and the Betas are weak to poison anyhow. It'll be quite powerful enough to knock the Betas on their asses in one hit, but also half the cost.

2: Desperado is normal type, which the Psyshades are all immune to, plus Moera is immune to everything already. Chances are good that due to the randomness of the technique, most of them would ineffective. I'd personally save her rage for a future Serene Blessing if we do end up using the Explosion tactic I suggested above. We'd want to have enough rage to protect Irene and Melanie.

AB: Can I/Renny make a free spot check to see that Moun is still with us and not gotten lost, injured or kidnapped while we weren't looking? She has been awfully silent as of late and it would be embaressing if we failed to secure her properly when she was right in our hands. Whitney would not be happy either at all...

Otherwise, I'm thinking now might be a good time for me to send out Mollesk in preperation for the shield to go down. If Irene can indeed buff it up with her ability, his Simple nature would boost it to +2 stage boosts, (Thus increasing his defense and offense) and have Mollesk delay his action until the end of the round when he uses Power Trick. Then we could have a 999 Attack legendary pokemon with a bug typing use Testament Drive on Moera when her shield goes down for incredibly super effective damage.
It would be incredibly horrific, both damage wise... and due to tentacle induced punishment against a psycho loli who already the way she is due to her character history of sexual assault. (I mean inneundos, not Mollesk actually molesting... unless AB wants to do that to Renny's shock.)

But it's PAYBACK for her dominating my Togekiss!