A conversation about conversations about bigotry

[Pip Boy]

Moderatorial note: This thread was split out from the Public Announcement thread. - Fenris

Leaving the forum for a few reasons. Might eventually come back, but I dunno. Despite having grown up in an absurdly right-wing family, the cream of the crop of a backwards, biggoted culture, I managed to see how backwards my upbringing was and be the first in generations of my family not to be openly racist and hateful towards negros, gays, liberals, and all those other things bible-belters hate.

Despite this it seems that I find myself unable to post on this forum without being targetted by a virtual bukakke of "you're a feminist, racist, ableist, oppressive, biggoted idiot fuck" usually started by Liz and then joined by 1d4+1 goblins.

So Im going to take some time to consider my posting habits. Maybe I really am just totally in the wrong here. If so, my bad, Im sorry, really. That said, Im not going to stick around if I can't open my mouth without every word being taken in the worst possible way to such an extreme that it seems intentional, then crucified for it. Later.

[Kim]

Haha, "I'm not as bigoted as my parents but I'm still getting called bigoted when I say bigoted things???" Have fun.

[Fenris]

Not really necessary, Liz.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Man, woman, gay, straight; one thing is certain: you're an asshole, Liz.

I guess I'm quitting the forum too because as much as I like all of you, people like Liz really bring it down for me. I wish you all the best (you too, Liz). Peace out.

P.S. Token, you're awesome. Don't ever change.

[Fenris]

Not really necessary, either.

Also peace out I guess. Best of luck to you with college coming up and all.

[Kim]

I just figured if someone's going to make a big post about what a jerk I am for calling them out on saying shitty things I might as well point out that the reasons I called them out on saying shitty things was that they said shitty things.

If people think it makes me an asshole to point out that calling people insane and wanting to lock them up and give them dirty looks contributes to a culture of bigotry against the mentally ill than I'm pretty okay with those people thinking I'm an asshole.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Liz

I just figured if someone's going to make a big post about what a jerk I am for calling them out on saying shitty things I might as well point out that the reasons I called them out on saying shitty things was that they said shitty things.

Next time, please just let it go. There is no puprose to the post you made, because Pip explicitly stated that he is leaving the forum, and unless you are attempting to goad him back onto the forum to respond to your mind-numbingly obvious flamebaiting, your post has no audience.

In other news, rest of the forum stop responding to Liz's mind-numbingly obvious flamebaiting.

At any rate I'm going to go to bed, do me a favor and everybody stop setting the forums on fire for like, at least 8 hours please.

[Pip Boy]

*Sigh*

I really wanted to be done with this and just leave, but I've had a few people contacting me through IM (mostly in regards to (their words) "Liz's blatant trolling") and I want to publicly set the record straight so people can stop asking me about it individually.

If I did say anything that could come across as biggoted, it was a matter of ignorance and mild insensitivity at the worst and never of malice or spite, as is often the case with racism. See, where I come from, homosexuals aren't given dirty looks or voted against, they're beaten openly in something of a local sport referred to as "gaybashing". Any intelligent and moral person can identify this behavior as reprehensible, and so obviously I've no support for it at all, but when the narrative for hatred of the minority is so clearly set, the small offense of being slightly skeptical when asked to join a boycott is negligible. Silly even.

The second point I'd like to make, Liz, is that your chlidish self-image of being some crusading white-knight alerting us all of the dangers of "the man" and of society getting us down is, while I would hope done with the best intentions, completely wrong. You've been openly spiteful and malicious towards me ever since I said a few words of hesitation at joining a boycott you demanded everyone join with almost no case to support it (at the time I initially made those comments).

Ever since then you have willfully misinterpereted everything I say to make me out to be some kind of horrendous strawman, going well outside of the bounds of responsible and respectable behavior in doing so, our moderators' forgiveness of which is a part of the reason I have chosen to leave. The fact that such childish behavior is permitted to happen time after time after time in such a fasion with a slap on the wrist at worst is a complete and utter failure on part of our forum's moderation staff. I'm not saying I'm 100% clean in this, after you began your sad crusade to torch the strawman you've crafted in my image, the cynic in me took over and decided that any constructive point I tried to make would be willfully misused anyway, so I resorted to some admittedly tongue-in-cheek and sometimes rude behavior. I'll admit to that. Maybe even a few days' ban, not that it'd mean anything at this point, would be in order for that.

The fact remains, however, that your selfish and egotistical attitude has become such a nuisance that it has caused at least 2 forum members to openly tell you to "fuck off" and leave, while many more do so in a more subtle fashion. You go well out of your way to look for a cause to advocate, and then jump the gun calling for a boycott whilst calling "biggot" every time someone says "wait, lets see what this is really all about first". Every time someone would say we try to make sure we've got our facts straight, you'd simply flame them and accuse them of oppression. You're like a liberal version of fox news, and frankly I'm sick and fucking tired of it.

I'd like to note on my way out that this isn't a call for the mods to ban Liz, or backseat moderating or anything. I'm leaving so frankly I don't give two shits whether Liz gets a few days in time out or a shiny new sheriff's badge. I can remember a point in time, however, where double-posting against the will of Fenris got me a 3 day ban, and now this kind of blatant flaming and openly malicious treatment of forum members has become excusable. I am not contesting my ban in this, I had it coming, but this double-standard I seem to be faced with is shit, and when it comes down to it I guess thats why I'm going. I have said all I am going to say on the matter. Please do not contact me on steam or otherwise regarding this matter anymore.

[MuMu]

This is unrelated to the other two dorks leaving NPF but I'm thinking of taking some time off too. Since I never post this means I won't be in the chats anymore(as I already am doing for the last days). Place is getting too srsbznz for me and this just isn't the kinda of thing I'm looking for in the webs.

[Kim]

Protip: The best way to get me to not call you a bigot is for you to not say bigoted things.

Also, throwing a tantrum over the Atlus thread wherein people explained, repeatedly, what was wrong with people's behavior there is the height of hilarity, as is complaining about a double standard bias in favor of me because you got a three day ban when the last ban I got was an entire month.

If this shit is the reason you're leaving, more power to you. I don't see this forum experiencing any benefit from someone staying who thinks wanting to lock up mentally ill people and give them dirty looks is an A-OK thing to advocate.