Metal Gear The Soild Ground Pains Zero Five Rising The Backdown

[Bells]

So... Metal Gear 5!


I've finally give in and returned to the console scene with a brand new PS4 =3

Also i got MGS Ground Zeroes wich i'm yet to play but have dipped my toes in it a little bit. I've also decided to go back and replay all MGS games that are related to this storyline on the PSP ( So... peace walker... but i'm totally going to play Portable ops and ACID too... ) and i just ordered an copy of MGS 3 for the DS (hope it's good!)

From what i understand (MGS lore is only second to Kingdom Hearts on WTF levels...) this is the ''Big Boss'' Trilogy, right?

It goes Peace Walker, MGS 3, MGS 5... correct?

So, the game for me is the clear definition of ''standing at the doors of next gen''. Not quite there yet... but i can see the potential. And on that front i'm satisfied. It plays super smooth and the audio is great... still getting used to playing with a PS controller after so many years on PC though...

So, is anybody here looking forward to that? Anybody playing Ground Zeroes?

I heard all about the ''10 minutes speed run'' stuff... and quite frankly, i'm not worried. From what i read you can totally spearhead the game and dash to the end if you want to.. and you can beat it in 1 hours just fine... or you can actually explore all the missions and the map you get and you can easily pull out 6-7 hours out of it... for a 30$ game of high production value that's ok.

And if you go for 100% without a guide or walkthroughs you can easily double that...

Now, here is what i'm curious about... the reason for the voice change.

The timeline here is MGS 3, Peace Walker and then MGS 5. which leads into the world of MGS 4... at the end of MGS 4 snake is no more. he is done and the world is changed. Enough that it leads into the world of Rising with Raiden.

And metal gear Rising did quite well. Even on PC... proving that a MGS 5 pc port is not out of the roadmap.

So... Indulge me in this... do you think it is possible that we will get a MGS 6 down the line that culminates with Big Boss and Solid Snake getting some face-to-face time?

[greed]

Originally Posted by Bells

So... Metal Gear 5!


I've finally give in and returned to the console scene with a brand new PS4 =3

Also i got MGS Ground Zeroes wich i'm yet to play but have dipped my toes in it a little bit. I've also decided to go back and replay all MGS games that are related to this storyline on the PSP ( So... peace walker... but i'm totally going to play Portable ops and ACID too... ) and i just ordered an copy of MGS 3 for the DS (hope it's good!)

From what i understand (MGS lore is only second to Kingdom Hearts on WTF levels...) this is the ''Big Boss'' Trilogy, right?

It goes Peace Walker, MGS 3, MGS 5... correct?

So, the game for me is the clear definition of ''standing at the doors of next gen''. Not quite there yet... but i can see the potential. And on that front i'm satisfied. It plays super smooth and the audio is great... still getting used to playing with a PS controller after so many years on PC though...

So, is anybody here looking forward to that? Anybody playing Ground Zeroes?

I heard all about the ''10 minutes speed run'' stuff... and quite frankly, i'm not worried. From what i read you can totally spearhead the game and dash to the end if you want to.. and you can beat it in 1 hours just fine... or you can actually explore all the missions and the map you get and you can easily pull out 6-7 hours out of it... for a 30$ game of high production value that's ok.

And if you go for 100% without a guide or walkthroughs you can easily double that...

Now, here is what i'm curious about... the reason for the voice change.

The timeline here is MGS 3, Peace Walker and then MGS 5. which leads into the world of MGS 4... at the end of MGS 4 snake is no more. he is done and the world is changed. Enough that it leads into the world of Rising with Raiden.

And metal gear Rising did quite well. Even on PC... proving that a MGS 5 pc port is not out of the roadmap.

So... Indulge me in this... do you think it is possible that we will get a MGS 6 down the line that culminates with Big Boss and Solid Snake getting some face-to-face time?

I think a remake of the original Metal Gear with Big Boss as the villain and Solid Snake as the hero is possible.

also not playing Ground Zeroes cause some of the spoilers put me off.

Spoilers Lots of rape stuff with Paz and apparrently she gets killed off by a bomb hidden in her vagina. I mean really Kojima? The second part of that was a SOUTH PARK EPISODE.

Oh also bells the Big Boss series goes MGS3 > Peace Walker > MGS5
Portable Ops is out of continuity like Ghost Babel and the AC!D games.

[Bells]

Just as i truly believe a new ''HD collection'' will be released for the PS4 or at least MGS 4... i also trully beleive we will get ''strider-like'' remakes of the first games of the franchise...

I read the spoiler, i did not know it was THAT but i knew Kojima went for the gut punch... so i'm not really put off by it as i want to see it in context, is that confirmed in that level of detail?

I mean, Ground Zeroes is a huge commentary on Guantanamo and just the opening scene has a character (unnamed for spoilers) using a hole in his chest to store a earphone jacket... and we have the whole deal with Quiet... i must admit i'm curious to see whole picture Kojima thinks he is painting with all of this...

[Solid Snake]

1: Don't play Peace Walker, it's fucking awful.

2: Based on everything I've heard, don't play MGSV: Ground Zeroes either, it is also atrocious.

I'm named after Solid Snake because MGS used to be favorite videogame series of all time and even I am telling you, you will sleep so much better at night if you just pretend Kojima ended the series with MGS4.
(...And then he gave the series to the folks who actually did something decent with it with Revengeance.)

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

I pretended it ended at metal gear solid with a brief reprisal for Snake Eater then faded to obscurity again.

Works out pretty well.

[Bells]

well, i know the whole deal in MGS4 and i honestly think i was better served by watching and reading than playing it.... i've played Peace Walker before and story wise i just find it dull... not... like... horrible. Just Dull. That being said... i barely reached the halfway point in that before setting it aside... so there is that too.

Gameplay was fine though... moster hunter with recruting and rocket launchers really...

Now... i know there are two types of experiences... there is ''This was poorly done and it's bad because of it'' and there is ''I don't like this and it's bad because of it''. I try to keep an open mind when hearing and reading about it... because specially in gaming media, it is VERY common to mix those two badly. Also, the reviewing press for this game seems really poorly managed to me thus far...

It reminds me of Spec Ops the Line, where not only the game media around it was bad... the game was also fully willing to take me to a very unconfortable place. But it was done really well that in the end, it's pretty much one of my favorite games of all time...

gameplay is bland as plaid... but just the storytelling makes it worth it.

Now... with THIS new MGS... i dunno, Kojima usually has his Hype made for him much more than he makes it himself... but it really does seem like he is testing to see just how much can he really get away with in his games now... i have to admit that intrigues me... i just don't know if it was/can be done well...

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Originally Posted by Bells

it really does seem like he is testing to see just how much can he really get away with in his games now..

He has pretty much outright stated he really really wants to work on shit other than the Metal Gear series after all these years. Hasn't quite committed to leaving it entirely 'cause he cares for his work and doesn't want it to be taken over by blithering idiots.

Catch-22 and all that.

[Bells]

So... just played it.

And let me be blunt and clear and crude... FUCK the people who finish this thing in under a hour and call it quits. I've played the stealthy game stealthy and i was banging at 3 hours when i finished it on normal... and then i learn that my completion rate was 9% !!!


Now, to address snake's point since i saw the ending, i'll go into spoiler territory. If you want to learn for yourself in the game, don't read. But if you don't mind the spoiler follow along...



At first i thought you were wrong... because Paz didn't have Bomb in her privates, it was in her guts. And in the end sequence... of course... there is no time for pain killers, so it's gut surgery by hand. And it's quite gruesome... the bomb gets disposed off and that seems to be it...

Then, at the very last minute paz wakes up and reveals there is ANOTHER bomb... her words are ''It's in my....'' and then she jumps off the helicopter and it explodes. It's nothing nuclear, but it's more than a grenade for sure... it takes the Helicopter down...

Thing is, Paz's face is not scarred. Her belly was crudely cut and stitched together, like something thaat WAS supposed to be found... it was just brutal. But they make note to show that her head is shaved and her face is clean... so when she says it's in her ''...'' well... yeah... you know what she is talking about.

The game drives it home super hrd, it's not subtle at all... how it is pointing fingers to the treatment of POW's and Guantanamo bat as a whole... it is literally screaming ''look at this'' over and over at you...

Sexual humilation, psycological forcibly induced trauma, indentity deconstruction, deprivation, sexual humilation, dehumanization, the entire deconstruction of a human being is being exposed raw in this game... mostly in audio-only files.

Early on it is introduced very clearly that Paz has suffered sexual abuse while being tortured for information. The end game however reveals that the rape was by Chico, forced by the main villain (Skull face, who only appears in the beginning and in audio). That alone is nuts... but you see how it mentally breaks paz apart and completely destroys chico's identity as a person... there is some Stockholm syndrome taking place, some characters are shown boderlining dementia and complete dissociation from reality...

You can rescue other prisioners too... when i did the first one, just hearing the desperate cries for rescue they put in there was enough for me to go into ''big boss mode'' and ''no man left behind'' was the goal of the day...

You cannot grasp the story by just playing the main mission. It is not possible. And i dare say that if you play Phantom Pain later on without playing this, you will miss out on context and information... there is some severe World building going on here and it's gruesome as fuck.

you need to listen to all the audio logs (easy enough to do while you scout around with your binoculars tagging stuff) to get a feel of the timeline this game is trying to tell... some severe fucked up shit is going on in Ground Zeroes.

And if they keep this line of thought going... this will lead into Phantom Pain that will land perfectly into the storyline of the first Metal Gear game... not MGS... the first metal gear.

[BitVyper]

I mean really Kojima?

I don't understand how Kojima's work being creepily sexist is even a surprise anymore. The MGS series was absolutely rife with it.

Edit: I pretend MGS never happened at all and that we got five more Snatcher games instead.

[Bells]

after playing... i'm not sure i can say that it is... sexist. It's absolutely brutal... but i got a bigger ''this is the horror of war'' vibe from the whole thing.

just another spoiler that i forgot to mention...

Before it is revealed that Paz had an explosive device inserted into her privates it is very strongly alluded that she also suffered genital mutilation as part of her abuse and torture. Maybe as part of the procedure. Can't tell if it was part of the whole process with her or if it was an isolated instance.

It's cruel, cold and quite disturbing... but i didn't see it as Fetishistic, i saw it as twisted.... fucked up. And the point that this game is trying to make such blunt parallels with real life war stories is really what irks the most... that it's not necessarily an overblown fantastic notion of the truth... it is presented more like a raw view of the stuff that happens in these war scenarios... all condensed and compressed into a quite nightmarish scenario really...