NPF Mafia: 8-Bit Edition SP

[neyo the king]

I really have no idea what's going on anymore.

I'm looking at the posts made, thinking I should unvote IHMN, but I don't think I should on account that I might be accused of bandwagonning. But Mestizio makes a good point...

Ah well, here we go.

Unvote: IHMN

But, now what?

Oh, and I think we shouldn't automaticly FoS anyone on, but not posting. I've been on, but not posted many times, mostly because I had nothing to contribute to whatever the heck was going on at the time. If you really can't contribute, and you just post any old thing, I would find that suspicios, like the person is just saying "Yeah, I'm here, don't vote me out for not doing anything suspicously."

Heh, you don't post anything, and you are accused for doing nothing suspicous, therefore making you suspicous. Then you post something, saying you shouldn't be FoS'd for not posting, and your FoS'd for suspicously appearing when you become FoS'd. That's happened to me many a time...

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Neyo the King

But, now what?

Well, as of now all we have is a plan for the night role. We still need to decide what to do today. I don't balieve another no lynch will help us and I am pulled between Neyo's performance and Baalirocks..erm..non-performance.
As of now I think my vote still stands for Neyo, but if Baalirock doesn't try to even play then we may see my vote change. And by play I mean actually state something. Not, "Hey, I posted. Yay!" more like, "Hey, [insert actual participation here]. Yay!"(sans the Yay! of course.) And Neyo, if it wold work like that then couldn't the enitre mafia support themselves by laying low and saying they can't contribute? That's what Sasuto and Pyros did last game and hey we one! I don't like the idea of people being able to do that and pulls my attention seriously. Hope that makes another good point for you Neyo.

EDIT: As a matter of fact. Unvote: Neyo Vote: Baalirock as the only thing I've seen him do is bandwagon once and agree with someone. He has been on recently too; so it's not internet problems or lack of availability as it seems with RMB again. Eyes on you next Neyo.

[Trepie]

Neyo you've cleared yourself in my books for now... (You're argument leads me to my next point)

Sorry Fenris. Again you didn't seem to sufficiently explain yourself and THEN you went on to try to make people look at other players to remove suspicion from yourself when all they really did was not post, big deal, Inbred doesn't have a large number of posts in this game but he is still contributing.

FoS: FenrisWolf

I believe he is the mastermind behind the Mafia and their tactic is to try to make lynch votes a tie between 3 or 4 people so that we never manage to Lynch anyone. While we shouldn't be lynching this turn, (unless Baalirock again does absolutely nothing while he was on then he's just clearly sus.)

Edit: (Fixed this sentence so it made sense) I think Fenris' habit of letting other people's "suspicious" activity remove the focus from him without him making a great deal of effort in defending himself is suspicous in turn...

[Fenris]

I'm being accused of being helpful. How am I to defend myself against that?

Originally Posted by Trepie

I believe he is the mastermind behind the Mafia and their tactic is to try to make lynch votes a tie between 3 or 4 people so that we never manage to Lynch anyone. While we shouldn't be lynching this turn, (unless Baalirock again does absolutely nothing while he was on then he's just clearly sus.)

Hmmm... What is your basis for this accusation? Remember, those words may come back to haunt you if I'm lynched.

Originally Posted by Trepie

Sorry Fenris. Again you didn't seem to sufficiently explain yourself and THEN you went on to try to make people look at other players to remove suspicion from yourself when all they really did was not post, big deal, Inbred doesn't have a large number of posts in this game but he is still contributing.

Excuse me for mentioning somebody who was inactive.

Trepie, ever since you've been in this game you've been bandwagoning against me. This leads me to one conclusion. You're working in a team.

Unvote: IHateMakingNames

Now prove me wrong, Trepie. Prove me wrong.

[Baalirock]

Originally Posted by Mestizio

Well, as of now all we have is a plan for the night role. We still need to decide what to do today. I don't balieve another no lynch will help us and I am pulled between Neyo's performance and Baalirocks..erm..non-performance.
As of now I think my vote still stands for Neyo, but if Baalirock doesn't try to even play then we may see my vote change. And by play I mean actually state something. Not, "Hey, I posted. Yay!" more like, "Hey, [insert actual participation here]. Yay!"(sans the Yay! of course.) And Neyo, if it wold work like that then couldn't the enitre mafia support themselves by laying low and saying they can't contribute? That's what Sasuto and Pyros did last game and hey we one! I don't like the idea of people being able to do that and pulls my attention seriously. Hope that makes another good point for you Neyo.

EDIT: As a matter of fact. Unvote: Neyo Vote: Baalirock as the only thing I've seen him do is bandwagon once and agree with someone. He has been on recently too; so it's not internet problems or lack of availability as it seems with RMB again. Eyes on you next Neyo.

Whoa there Killer, trigger happy much? I happen to be on this message board quite a bit. Most of the day, in fact. That's because I've been leaving this forum open while I've been working. Ya see, I'm on the phone quite a bit at work, so I need something to distract me while I'm listening to customers going off about... well, whatever daily problem they're having. So, I've been keeping up w/ reading this thread. The trouble is, I don't trust myself enough to make a coherent, convincing argument post while somebody's talking in my ear, so I've been mostly observing. I didn't want to hop on and just vote for someone without explaining myself, because I didn't want to be accused of bandwagoning and the like, and I certainly didn't want to spam. So, now that I'm home, you have my full and complete attention.

First of all, big hairy FOS's to anybody who leaped on IHMN. There's no way a mafiate would be that careless or random with their voting, especially out of the blue like that. That's like a cry that says "pay attention to me, cuz here I am!", and the last thing a mafiate should want is undue attention. IHMN has since roleclaimed to be the Vig, and I don't see why we shouldn't believe him. Getting rid of our Vig would be a HUGE mistake, no matter where he says his allegiance may lie. Whether he's making his best guesses to try and pick off the mafiosos, or even if he's killing randomly, chances are good that he'll nail another threat, because his track record so far has been pretty good. Yeah, it sucks that he offed 2 townies, but he got the Don and the SK, so I'd say his instincts are pretty good.

So, since I've been reading, and now that I have time to post it, here's my theory: Vote: Mestizio, because I think she's the cult leader. check this out:

Originally Posted by Mestizio

Please. He won't get drafted into the cult.
1: Chances are he is dead today by lynch
2: Mafia hits him as he is a possible threat.(unless the BO protects him)
3: Even if he is drafted into the cult there is no proof that he is really the vig.
I was right in my belief last time and I believe I am now.(although if he is mafia I have a lot to explain ) .

She seemed awfully quick to throw away the idea of the cult inducting IHMN, and why shouldn't she? With the SK gone, the Vig would be the best thing to happen to the Cult. Even with a split allegiance, the Vig would still be cult controlled, and make the cult a force to be reckoned with. It would be a shame if the Vig hit a cultist by mistake, after all. What better way to ensure that didn't happen than drafting him in ? Plus, if she is the cult leader, then not only can the vig not get drafted, but the BG will have a clear target on who they should protect tonight. Unless, uh, they want to protect me, that is. :p

Seriously though, I think FenrisWolf put it best:

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

Waitaminute!

We know that TWIDDI was a cult member, this means that Mestizio is likely not a member of the cult.

Or the Cult leader, and is trying to use a tactic pretty much exactly like the tactic used last game, by getting a (now-known) cultist to debate with her, claiming a (now-known) townie is the cult leader. Hmm...

That is pretty much exactly what she did last game, and she did it again right there. It took a bit to sink in, but my gut tells me that Mestizio is the cult leader.

As for the accusation of me Bandwagoning? I'll dispute that right now. I've voted twice. Once was for No Lynch on the first night, and the second was for Jerimiahcron, who seemed like a legitimate threat at the time. I did agree with Newb, because he raised some excellent points that largely mirrored my own in that regard. I've only thrown some FOS's since then.

On the subject of Bandwagoning, I'd like to turn your attention to the FOS I'm pointing at sk3l3t0n. Check out these 2 recent posts he's made:

Originally Posted by sk3L3t0n

Unvote: IHateMakingNames because all the cool kids are doing it. Sorry. Couldn't help myself XD

After that roleclaim, if he isn't mafia, the mafia is taking him. If they don't take him, we assume he is mafia, and probably lynch him. Lets just wait up.

Originally Posted by sk3L3t0n

FoS: IHMN just for the sheer irony. But not really. But still FoS. Seriously, how else are we going to try to figure something out and win? Posts are the only thing we have to go on, and trying to win requires looking for any hint or loophole. Don't join it if you think it's stupid.

Yay, the forum is loading again.

Edit: Post made while I was typing. Most of the things you say work, but like I said, there are hints and things in what people say, or being overenthusiatic about thing, etc.

Edit2: SSB brings up a good point. I'll go with Vote: IHMN

Both of those were made very quickly when votes began to occur. If that's not bandwagoning, then I don't know what is. Made it's legit, but that seems awfully scummy to me.

So, there's my rebuttal, take it or leave it. I'll make sure I post at least once per day and give ya'll my 2 cents from now on, so long as you don't all try and crucify me for sitting around online. And on a final note, just so no one can say that I'm skipping any issues in my defense:

"Hey (insert baalirant here). Yay!"

[Bailey]

All right, I'm still convinced that IHMN is a threat, even if not an official one, but I'm willing to leave him alone for now on the assumption that he might start using some logic rather than killing people randomly.
Unvote: IHMN
And also, why does everybody keep saying that the vig got both the don and the SK? The SK got the don, not the vig, and we know this from the SK after the SK died.

And it's kinda unexplainable, but every word that Fenris writes in this thread screams "lying scheming weasel" at me, and his posts don't really do that elsewhere so far as I've seen.

probably the clincher here is when he says that Trepie has been bandwagoning against him the entire thread. Campaigning against him, fine, sure, bandwagoning, fine, sure, either of those could be used to describe the actions of a person, regardless of their verity, but bandwagoning against somebody? this just screams "trying to drum up emotions" at me.
Vote: Fenris

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Newb

probably the clincher here is when he says that Trepie has been bandwagoning against him the entire thread. Campaigning against him, fine, sure, bandwagoning, fine, sure, either of those could be used to describe the actions of a person, regardless of their verity, but bandwagoning against somebody? this just screams "trying to drum up emotions" at me.
Vote: Fenris

Mainly because next to every action has been against me. And then when Neyo explained himself, it was enough. When I do it, "it's not quite good enough".

Now isn't that a wee bit suspicious?

EDIT: Trepie, try bringing something up a little more recent. We've already covered when I posted about Inbred. It also brought him back to posting. You're using the same evidence to make the same point with minor variations at different times.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Baalirock

Whoa there Killer, trigger happy much? I happen to be on this message board quite a bit. Most of the day, in fact. That's because I've been leaving this forum open while I've been working. Ya see, I'm on the phone quite a bit at work, so I need something to distract me while I'm listening to customers going off about... well, whatever daily problem they're having. So, I've been keeping up w/ reading this thread. The trouble is, I don't trust myself enough to make a coherent, convincing argument post while somebody's talking in my ear, so I've been mostly observing. I didn't want to hop on and just vote for someone without explaining myself, because I didn't want to be accused of bandwagoning and the like, and I certainly didn't want to spam. So, now that I'm home, you have my full and complete attention.

First of all, big hairy FOS's to anybody who leaped on IHMN. There's no way a mafiate would be that careless or random with their voting, especially out of the blue like that. That's like a cry that says "pay attention to me, cuz here I am!", and the last thing a mafiate should want is undue attention. IHMN has since roleclaimed to be the Vig, and I don't see why we shouldn't believe him. Getting rid of our Vig would be a HUGE mistake, no matter where he says his allegiance may lie. Whether he's making his best guesses to try and pick off the mafiosos, or even if he's killing randomly, chances are good that he'll nail another threat, because his track record so far has been pretty good. Yeah, it sucks that he offed 2 townies, but he got the Don and the SK, so I'd say his instincts are pretty good.

So, since I've been reading, and now that I have time to post it, here's my theory: Vote: Mestizio, because I think she's the cult leader. check this out:



She seemed awfully quick to throw away the idea of the cult inducting IHMN, and why shouldn't she? With the SK gone, the Vig would be the best thing to happen to the Cult. Even with a split allegiance, the Vig would still be cult controlled, and make the cult a force to be reckoned with. It would be a shame if the Vig hit a cultist by mistake, after all. What better way to ensure that didn't happen than drafting him in ? Plus, if she is the cult leader, then not only can the vig not get drafted, but the BG will have a clear target on who they should protect tonight. Unless, uh, they want to protect me, that is. :p

Seriously though, I think FenrisWolf put it best:



That is pretty much exactly what she did last game, and she did it again right there. It took a bit to sink in, but my gut tells me that Mestizio is the cult leader.

As for the accusation of me Bandwagoning? I'll dispute that right now. I've voted twice. Once was for No Lynch on the first night, and the second was for Jerimiahcron, who seemed like a legitimate threat at the time. I did agree with Newb, because he raised some excellent points that largely mirrored my own in that regard. I've only thrown some FOS's since then.

On the subject of Bandwagoning, I'd like to turn your attention to the FOS I'm pointing at sk3l3t0n. Check out these 2 recent posts he's made:





Both of those were made very quickly when votes began to occur. If that's not bandwagoning, then I don't know what is. Made it's legit, but that seems awfully scummy to me.

So, there's my rebuttal, take it or leave it. I'll make sure I post at least once per day and give ya'll my 2 cents from now on, so long as you don't all try and crucify me for sitting around online. And on a final note, just so no one can say that I'm skipping any issues in my defense:

"Hey (insert baalirant here). Yay!"

Heh, trigger happy? That seems like a gross overstatement to me. I have been the antagonist of most lynches(cuz they all seemed illogical.Please Jer wasn't a threat and IHMN seems more use alive)

My accusations on IHMN probably not joining the cult were because chances were he was going to die. From either todays lynch, mafia or tommorows lynch. Hell IHMN already said he would be more of a threat as a cultist. Your argument doesn't seem to contradict mine at all. If he was dedicated toward making the town win as he says then he would pick off the first cult member to talk to him. He seems more a threat to the cult. Thank you for making me explain my reason out loud for all enemies to hear.


You accuse me of being the cult leader huh? Ok let's assume I am. I've been constantly posting, putting out as much info as I can and bringing myself in the open. It seems similar to what I did last game, right? Wrong. I don't see anyone voting for me yet but you. And what I did revolved around the mafia offing me. I have been FoS'd a few times, but your the first to vote me. So if I was doing the same trick again you would be the pyros/sasuto of my plan. Hey, guess what? That puts you at the head of suspicion. I have stated numerous times I don't like it when people don't at least try to contribute to the game. You have come up with logical to semi-logical statements. Thus making my main point for voting you gone. Unvote: Baalirock. As for skeleton, he has been bandwagonning a a lot, but he really hasn't gone off the deep end and in all honesty doesn't seem bad to me. I have to go back to my former best reason to vote someone and someone who I have had suspicion of for a while. Vote: Neyo the King. Sorry Baalirock, didn't know you worked and read the forms at the same time.(plus you did post on another thread at those moments. Though after reviewing them, it didn't seem like those took a lot of thought). If anyone has anything to say about this post I am going to bed and will answer you in the morning.

[Deathosaurus Wrecks]

Originally Posted by Mestizio

I have been the antagonist of most lynches(cuz they all seemed illogical.Please Jer wasn't a threat and IHMN seems more use alive)

yes, because what every thriving town needs is a person with a loaded gun willing to kill without proof or reasonable suspicion.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Deathosaurus Wrecks

yes, because what every thriving town needs is a person with a loaded gun willing to kill without proof or reasonable suspicion.

Hah! If he was such an illogical source of info, then how could he persuade anyone to vote off someone. The worst he could be was an additional bandwagon. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but jer was no threat.

And as for IHMN, well it seems as though almost everyone here has unvoted him due to his lack of threat to most. He takes out people lying low as far as I can tell and seems no harm to anyone seemingly helping the town. So he seems more of an asset. Especially considering the plan we have concocted. Hey, my assumptions got the most back up, again! Suprising how much I have done that. /blatant sarcasm.