Shame of florida?

talse · 01-11-2008, 07:33 PM

While I get some flack this time of the election cycle about how iowa is too po-dunk to have as much say in elections as it does, we've always been pretty on the ball when it came to science, heck, van allen of the belt was a university of iowa professor. Apparently more populous states don't default to smarter. 12 florida counties reject evolution in curriculums.:stressed:

would residents care to comment?

Demonlink2 · 01-11-2008, 07:48 PM

Being in the 11th grade means I have to take the science FCAT OF DEATH OHGODWHTHISTESTWHYYYYYY

But I know how it works so it must not be Pinellas county. Besides, there are like 50+ counties so I don't know what really goes on outside the "Bay Area" counties. Of course, I don't really Care either.

Professor Smarmiarty · 01-11-2008, 09:14 PM

Isn't the argument that such a small amount of people shouldn't have such a disproportionate outcome on elections, regardless of the actual views/beliefs/intellegience of said people.

And those articles didn't really explain anything at all. They said the school boards opposed teaching evolution as fact but nothing in science is taught as fact, only the best current theorum.
It's easy to jump to conclusions but things need to be made clearer, especially as the article didn't refer to any teaching of say creationism in the place of evolutionism.

Double · 01-11-2008, 09:14 PM

Hmm...I looked through the link, but I couldn't find a list of which counties passed the rejection.

Was Pinellas one of them? I'm just curious, because I think (can't be certain, though) back when I was in school they did teach it.

And on that subject, why bother to remove it? Whatever happened to the "Let the person decide for themself" idea? Apparently nobody wants people to be allowed to do so.

POS Industries · 01-11-2008, 09:37 PM

As someone who was born in Tampa, I can assure you that nothing good has ever come out of Florida.

Yeah, that's right. Fuck you too, Clevinger! Haha!

Anyway, it's not so much that Iowa is "po-dunk" as that it's not generally considered an accurate cross-section of the American population. It's less than a percentage point of the citizenry and is about 95% white.

Then they go to New Hampshire which is even smaller and whiter.

And then they go to South Carolina?!

My point is goddammit.

Odjn · 01-12-2008, 09:17 PM

I was gonna mock Brian but POS beat me to it, so haha Brian your state is worse than Jersey.

FlameTH · 01-12-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by News Source

Several sources are reporting that twelve school districts in Florida have passed resolutions against the teaching of evolution.

...I can understand religion and whatnot, but don't ya think the student would like to know what it is? It's a bit radical in my opinion to actually ban the teaching of it. :/

Elminster_Amaur · 01-12-2008, 09:37 PM

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While I get some flack this time of the election cycle about how iowa is too po-dunk to have as much say in elections as it does, we've always been pretty on the ball when it came to science, heck, van allen of the belt was a university of iowa professor. Apparently more populous states don't default to smarter. 12 florida counties reject evolution in curriculums.

We are very good at science. However, evolution, in the form it is being taught to school children is not science, it is religion. You see, until it Macroevolution has been observed and documented, the theory of "evolution" is not science. I have so far not become aware of ANY scientifically acceptable evidence of evolution, just as I have seen no acceptable evidence of any alternatives. For all I know, we've always been here, in this form. Knowing humanity, I wouldn't put it past us to have wiped ourselves out, nearly to extinction and obliterated any evidence of past habitation. Hell, the Earth itself does that for you after a long enough period of time, and 10,000 years (about as far back as we have archaeological evidence) is certainly enough to do that. I mean, our most durable creations (plastic) will only last an estimated 1,000 years when left to the devices of nature.

That aside, I'm perfectly fine with Microevolution being taught, because it's been proven through observation. Just as all other acceptable theories have been. More counties should move to teaching as science only those things which are actually science, and leave creative fictions to the literature texts. If they want to teach evolution as a possible origin of life, they should do it in a class titled "Theology" or "Possible Origins of Humanity" or perhaps "Religions of the World 101". I just don't want to see the minds of the young ruined with propaganda. If we leave what we don't know yet blank, SOMEONE will get curious, and we will inspire the true spirit of science in our youth. By making too many assumptions for them, we limit them.

Demetrius · 01-12-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by POS

As someone who was born in Tampa, I can assure you that nothing good has ever come out of Florida.

Hey, I'm from Florida...:stressed:

POS Industries · 01-12-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elminster_Amaur

We are very good at science. However, evolution, in the form it is being taught to school children is not science, it is religion. You see, until it Macroevolution has been observed and documented, the theory of "evolution" is not science. I have so far not become aware of ANY scientifically acceptable evidence of evolution, just as I have seen no acceptable evidence of any alternatives. For all I know, we've always been here, in this form. Knowing humanity, I wouldn't put it past us to have wiped ourselves out, nearly to extinction and obliterated any evidence of past habitation. Hell, the Earth itself does that for you after a long enough period of time, and 10,000 years (about as far back as we have archaeological evidence) is certainly enough to do that. I mean, our most durable creations (plastic) will only last an estimated 1,000 years when left to the devices of nature.

That aside, I'm perfectly fine with Microevolution being taught, because it's been proven through observation. Just as all other acceptable theories have been. More counties should move to teaching as science only those things which are actually science, and leave creative fictions to the literature texts. If they want to teach evolution as a possible origin of life, they should do it in a class titled "Theology" or "Possible Origins of Humanity" or perhaps "Religions of the World 101". I just don't want to see the minds of the young ruined with propaganda. If we leave what we don't know yet blank, SOMEONE will get curious, and we will inspire the true spirit of science in our youth. By making too many assumptions for them, we limit them.

Fossil records and DNA analysis.

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Originally Posted by Demetrius

Hey, I'm from Florida...:stressed:

Did I stutter?

01-11-2008, 07:33 PM	#1
talse Moonshiner Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Iowa City, Iowa, about 4 hours west of Chicago Posts: 267	Shame of florida? While I get some flack this time of the election cycle about how iowa is too po-dunk to have as much say in elections as it does, we've always been pretty on the ball when it came to science, heck, van allen of the belt was a university of iowa professor. Apparently more populous states don't default to smarter. 12 florida counties reject evolution in curriculums.:stressed: would residents care to comment? __________________ I'm a writer! ... Yeah, I know, it sounded better in my head anyways. My webcomic is called moonshine and you can find it right here. It's sort of about harvestmoon 64. If everyone was drunk. or stupid. or psychotic.

01-11-2008, 07:48 PM	#2
Demonlink2 TOON ISAAC Join Date: May 2006 Location: University of Florida Posts: 387	Being in the 11th grade means I have to take the science FCAT OF DEATH OHGODWHTHISTESTWHYYYYYY But I know how it works so it must not be Pinellas county. Besides, there are like 50+ counties so I don't know what really goes on outside the "Bay Area" counties. Of course, I don't really Care either. __________________ Wanna play a game of chance? Turn off your lightswitch, and we'll see if another person in the room turns into Uboa. ҉Apeture science is your trusted friend in the field of science.҉

01-11-2008, 09:37 PM	#5
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	As someone who was born in Tampa, I can assure you that nothing good has ever come out of Florida. Yeah, that's right. Fuck you too, Clevinger! Haha! Anyway, it's not so much that Iowa is "po-dunk" as that it's not generally considered an accurate cross-section of the American population. It's less than a percentage point of the citizenry and is about 95% white. Then they go to New Hampshire which is even smaller and whiter. And then they go to South Carolina?! My point is goddammit. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

01-11-2008, 09:14 PM	#3
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Isn't the argument that such a small amount of people shouldn't have such a disproportionate outcome on elections, regardless of the actual views/beliefs/intellegience of said people. And those articles didn't really explain anything at all. They said the school boards opposed teaching evolution as fact but nothing in science is taught as fact, only the best current theorum. It's easy to jump to conclusions but things need to be made clearer, especially as the article didn't refer to any teaching of say creationism in the place of evolutionism.

01-11-2008, 09:14 PM	#4
Double The Hero Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 69	Hmm...I looked through the link, but I couldn't find a list of which counties passed the rejection. Was Pinellas one of them? I'm just curious, because I think (can't be certain, though) back when I was in school they did teach it. And on that subject, why bother to remove it? Whatever happened to the "Let the person decide for themself" idea? Apparently nobody wants people to be allowed to do so.