Still not ginger (Thenew doctor who thread)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Hawk

You know it's not hard to wake up in a morning and switch the lights on in your house. Seeing as we barely saw much of the city at large we can't assume just how much of it has woken up. All we know is "drill woke aliens up", "aliens woke up", "did stuff". I duno about you, but I can do quite a bit within the first hour or so I wake up in the morning and seeing as the first human to be captured was taken in the middle of the night I'm guessing they've been awake for a few hours by now.

Seriously, what is the problem with the logic here? Honestly sometimes I think people on this site just want to find problems with stuff.

Let's just say there is adiffernece between you waking up after an 8 hour sleep and an entire city waking up after a sleep of some 40 million years.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yes, but assuming they're using some super-advanced form of cryo-stasis to keep themselves alive all that time, it probably IS like just waking up after an 8 hour sleep to them.

They woke up, had a few hours to do shit, and then invaded the surface. What is the problem with that?

[Kim]

Really liked this episode. Don't really have any major complaints, other than the Doctor letting Timmy fall down the well was kind of dumb. Didn't like that Rory actually tries to be useful for once and the Doctor just told him to shut up. I mean, I hate Rory, but I probably would have hated him less if he was useful on occasion. It's also nice to have an episode that doesn't revolve entirely around Amy for once. She's important, but she isn't the focus. My biggest complaint with New Who is how the universe is always revolving around his latest companion.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Yes, but assuming they're using some super-advanced form of cryo-stasis to keep themselves alive all that time, it probably IS like just waking up after an 8 hour sleep to them.

They woke up, had a few hours to do shit, and then invaded the surface. What is the problem with that?

THe problem is that its fucking stupid.

Originally Posted by NonCon

Really liked this episode. Don't really have any major complaints, other than the Doctor letting Timmy fall down the well was kind of dumb. Didn't like that Rory actually tries to be useful for once and the Doctor just told him to shut up. I mean, I hate Rory, but I probably would have hated him less if he was useful on occasion. It's also nice to have an episode that doesn't revolve entirely around Amy for once. She's important, but she isn't the focus. My biggest complaint with New Who is how the universe is always revolving around his latest companion.

I agree, alongside all the love interest that goes on with pretty much all of them. Companions are really there to give the Doctor someone to exposit to and I'm happy with them in that role.

[Arhra]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Hahahaha, I'd blanked those stupid smiler things from my mind- which shows how totally correct you are.

Edit: Nenw episode. Rory, such a nong. I hope he dies.

You have to admit the look on the Doctor's face when he was demanding an explaination from those two smilers and then their boxes suddenly opened and they stood up was pretty classic though.

But these episodes are highlighting a bit of a problem with the current Doctor Who - the writers are sacrificing overall consistency for point to point drama. And this tends to undermine the plot as a whole.

Oh look, now the angels will freeze if you look like you can see them because it's scary if you have to walk between a bunch of them while blind!

Same with the smilers - they'd have been pretty nifty if there'd been any reason for them to exist. I liked Amy's little revelation at the end... but a lot of stuff about the episode turned out to have no explanation at all.

Or "Hey look, just using a mirror to kill a thing works now for some reason!"

They are getting better with properly setting up the ending though. Even if the logic is sometimes shaky (like that whole perception filter thing).

I didn't mind Vampires in Venice although yeah, like I said, inconsistencies abound. It's nice to see the villains trying to talk the Doctor over, although the interactions were messed up in this case.

[Carade]

I think the problem with the new season of Who is that it isn't quite as... intimate as the last seasons were. I don't know why, and it may very well just be me, but the new characters feel like they're being kept at arms length.

That doesn't make it bad, I'm just not as emotionally invested in the new characters as I was with Rose, Captain Jack, Martha, or Donna. Maybe I just have a problem with change, or maybe I just need to give the show a little more time. But it's still enjoyable, and that still makes it aces in my book.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I agree, alongside all the love interest that goes on with pretty much all of them. Companions are really there to give the Doctor someone to exposit to and I'm happy with them in that role.

This was what made Donna so great. She really wasn't romantically interested in the Doctor, she just wanted to do awesome shit and travel the universe with him. She was easily the best companion of New Who because of it, and then the show had to ruin it by making her plot important at the end. And then they gave her AMNESIAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH.

THe problem is that its fucking stupid.

You really haven't made a fair point for it other than "because I say so". Seriously, they were in cryo-stasis or whatever-the-fuck, right? This means that their city is just sleeping while they are, and when they wake up, they power everything back up. The point of special technosleep is that you can sleep for an incredibly long time and not have any adverse effects because of it. The point is that it'd just be like waking up in the morning. There's a certain thing called suspension of disbelief, and unless this show goes into great detail about how they were able to get everything ready so quickly and the explanation is really stupid, it hasn't violated it.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by NonCon

This was what made Donna so great. She really wasn't romantically interested in the Doctor, she just wanted to do awesome shit and travel the universe with him. She was easily the best companion of New Who because of it, and then the show had to ruin it by making her plot important at the end. And then they gave her AMNESIAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH.

Hahaha, the best bit was when she was like "Zomg, Timelord mind!""

You really haven't made a fair point for it other than "because I say so". Seriously, they were in cryo-stasis or whatever-the-fuck, right? This means that their city is just sleeping while they are, and when they wake up, they power everything back up. The point of special technosleep is that you can sleep for an incredibly long time and not have any adverse effects because of it. The point is that it'd just be like waking up in the morning. There's a certain thing called suspension of disbelief, and unless this show goes into great detail about how they were able to get everything ready so quickly and the explanation is really stupid, it hasn't violated it.

Cause you've been asleep for 40 million years, your city ain't going to be that well preserved. The reason they are under the earth is because the earth had climate change or something and if they can't make something to mitigate that no way can they keep a gigantic underground city perfectely intact for 40 million years with no maintenance, that's so much ridiculously harder to do, it borders on the ridiculous. Especially because thier city is carved from the planet so they ahve to control the internal mechanisms of the planet to prevent erosion, sedimentation, rust, decay, random chance movements of the earth and yet they can't control some clouds. All their electrical shit is running and to keep that running over millions of years you would need absolute atomic control of the environment and yet they're in hibernation because the planet got a few degrees too hot. How can we not see the problem here?
And everything is all set up for them when they get up why do they send like 3 people to the surface? Why don't they send like a 1000. They made a mockery of the surface mission cause despite having a massive city their invasion force is 3 dudes.
You can control the planet in your sleep but you can't just make an earthquake machine to destroy all the humans.
It doesn't make sense on any level.

[Kim]

Well, the Doctor did say they could have killed the humans easily, but they were keeping them alive for some reason.

Honestly, I think you're overthinking things in an attempt to find fault with the show. The main problem with that is there are several, far more obvious bits of confusion that you seem to be wholly neglecting. You're still going after the thing that I say is covered by suspension of disbelief, and even then you have to be really digging to come up with that nitpick. There are easier complaints to be had with the episode.

Oh look, now the angels will freeze if you look like you can see them because it's scary if you have to walk between a bunch of them while blind!

To be fair, it did give a semi-decent reason for this. At least better than you lot are giving credit for. It wasn't that they couldn't move. It's that they wouldn't try, because they'd think she could see them and that they were still immobile on account of it. Millions of years worth of habit is hard to break. What it doesn't account for is them not going after her when she wasn't looking in their direction. Still a big problem, but for different reasons than you lot were giving.

[Green Spanner]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Stuff

You should write to the writers and complain.