Pokémon Umbral Discussion 9: More Than Double the Number of RP Threads!

[Dracorion]

It's called friendly competition.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Geminex

2: Leaders. The laws of anime (because that's what this is become, awesome, awesome anime) declare that in epic showdowns, counterparts must fight each other. Meaning Renny fights Chizuru, Charlotte fights Kirie, Matt fights... Mika?, Pierce fights Tsubasa, Impact fights Shizuka. Of course, depending on what's tactically wise, it'll probably involve a lot of focusing fire, but I still demand that in the final post of the final mission, every team member must land the killing blow on their counterpart.

Originally Posted by Geminex

2: I still demand that in the final post of the final mission, every team member must land the killing blow on their counterpart.

Doesn't look like friendly competition from this side. :3

Also, we're talking PvP against the Kimonos, aka the NPCs?

"Inconcievable!"
""You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

[Dracorion]

Well, obviously not in Mission 7.

But for Renny's sidequest coming up which involves PVP, no reason why there can't be some friendly sparring.

[Geminex]

If PATCA (AB) decides to put someone else as leader, Impact will have to ragequit or suck it up. Simple as that.

Definetly. Though in general, as you've proven, being in the lead doesn't always mean people will do what you tell them to.

And I think it's far too early to say who's "in the lead". Yes, Impact is "winning", sure. But Matt and Pierce haven't even had a shot. Charlotte is out of the question, though.

And if you re-read my post, that's exactly what I've said. Impact has had a lot of influence so far. But I concede that there's no guarantees that this state of affairs'll continue. I'll try to build up my lead, expand Impact's influence, but there's not telling what'll happen.

Though how about this. I concede rivalry, you concede support. Impact will be indifferent to proving his strength against the kimonos, become more strategic. Primary goal before pride. Gaining power before proving it. Fairly major change, actually.
Pierce will... aknowlege that Impact's idea are quite good. That it's wise to follow them, particularly because Impact will be very careful not to... abuse this trust. By which I mean, he won't have Pierce work against his own favor.

And didn't Pierce have a fair go at leadership in the first mission? No designated leader, anyone could shout out orders. Yet, I believe, Impact did a lot of leading. Particularly towards the end.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Definetly. Though in general, as you've proven, being in the lead doesn't always mean people will do what you tell them to.

Well it's up to Impact if he wants to follow orders from a trainer or a Pokebrid or if he wants to usurp leadership. Of course, if he tries to pull that crap on Pierce, he'll get shot down so hard like you would not believe.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Though how about this. I concede rivalry, you concede support. Impact will be indifferent to proving his strength against the kimonos, become more strategic. Primary goal before pride. Gaining power before proving it. Fairly major change, actually.
Pierce will... aknowlege that Impact's idea are quite good. That it's wise to follow them, particularly because Impact will be very careful not to... abuse this trust. By which I mean, he won't have Pierce work against his own favor.

Pierce doesn't really trust Impact right now. Impact's comments at the first briefing, and his sweet talking of Renny at the second briefing give Pierce the impression of a guy who has to carefully pick his words so as not to let something slip. Which gives Pierce the slightest possible indication that Impact might have some bias against Pokemon, trainers, and Pokebrids. Of course, Pierce doesn't know, and he's not going to jump to anything, so he's content to follow Impact's lead as long as he agrees with his ideas.

Which is the problem. Pierce won't agree with Impact because he has to, he'll do it because he truly believes Impact is right. Given Pierce's distrust of Impact, he won't be blindly following. He'll carefully examine every idea Impact gives and decide whether it's good or bad. For example, during the Phantomere battle, Pierce may have had his own ideas about how to do things, but he thought they wouldn't be more effective than Impact's so he was fine with doing as told.

Getting Pierce to blindly agree with Impact will take a lot of sweet talking. So that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And didn't Pierce have a fair go at leadership in the first mission? No designated leader, anyone could shout out orders. Yet, I believe, Impact did a lot of leading. Particularly towards the end.

Yes, but there were several factors. Pierce did give some suggestions, but he didn't make them orders, because they were up against an unknown enemy and his guess was as good as anyone's. So he was content to do as Impact said at the time. Not to mention Rayleen was on scene and she followed Impact as well, and look how that turned out. And Pierce hadn't formed a concrete opinion of Impact at the time.

But Pierce will take the lead if he believes he has to.

[Bard The 5th LW]

It might just be Charlotte talking, but the Harliette/Lola exposition made me regret not setting Harliette on fire all the more.

And damn, I can't even go to sleep without like a whole discussion thread being filled up. Goddamn insomiacs/people in other time zones.

[Geminex]

Well, I don't want blind agreement. Just... trust. Have Pierce examine Impact's ideas, that's fine. That's good, in fact. But be... content with simply examining, double-checking, making sure Impact's not making any mistakes. But don't make the attempt to lead. Retain control over your own actions, limit Impact's influence, do that. It's good, if you're eying him with scrutiny, it means you'll trust him all the more when he passes your test.

But concede that, since someone has to make the suggestions anyway, it might as well be Impact. Because hey, he's had good ideas so far.

D'ye ken?

Edit:

Goddamn insomiacs/people in other time zones.

Both, actually. 2 AM, australia time. Goodnight.

[Dracorion]

There is no Harliette/Lola exposition. Hell, the only Harliette I know is the one that went around in rollerskates and a cheerleader costume.

And hey, now that Bard is here we can go back to discussing Matt's torture. I still say Impact does some investigating, finds out Matt has been using his ID card to access personel files and finds out that matt accessed some security footage and audio recordings involving higher-ups in PATCA. THen he recruits Charlotte and Pierce to shake him down.

If Matt refuses to talk after a while, we get physical (not full-on torture, mind you), and Impact can play the good cop.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Geminex

D'ye ken?

If Impact passes the test, sure. But until then, and if Impact doesn't pass, Pierce will make his own attempts at leadership when he has to. But of course, he'll find it very hard to lead until after his sidequest, when he can start gaining people's trust.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I am up for the current plan where Impact basically puts on the pressure for Matt to answer. If he doesn't give us something straight in the van, then we resort to violence back at the base. We can make up a reason on the fly if we have to.

Unfortunately, I can't think of a combination of letters to make the acronym spell out: Plan A.S.S.H.A.T

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

I am up for the current plan where Impact basically puts on the pressure for Matt to answer. If he doesn't give us something straight in the van, then we resort to violence back at the base. We can make up a reason on the fly if we have to.

I highly doubt Matt is just going to tell us that he's a mole simply because Impact asked casually.

I like my idea because it means we get to go rough on Matt and Impact gets to look like the good guy in Matt's eyes like Gem wanted.

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Unfortunately, I can't think of a combination of letters to make the acronym spell out: Plan A.S.S.H.A.T

Affirmative Secondary Strategy to go Hardass on Assumed Traitor.