Pokemon Umbral Discussion 35: Under New Management!

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

I'm pretty sure that no one in the team is capable of knocking out Togekiss in one action without a hefty setup, especially now that the special attack booster is broken. You'd use equal/more actions trying to knock out Togekiss as opposed to ejecting him.

That's what the Laser is for. You proposed using a bunch of Rage Rockets on Lexhur and having him use Devil's Drift on Togekiss to knock it away. I'm proposing lasering Togekiss and using Lexhur's extra action on someone else.

Originally Posted by Menarker

And I doubt flinching would work on her either, but Moonlight Disco is severe dark type and she's psychic type. Sure to be pretty effective damage at least. And if there was a small chance she could be flinched.

I wasn't sayin' we shouldn't use Moonbeam Disco. I'm sayin' she probably won't be flinched.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Your Co-op technique would be enhanced on the betas since they have the same weakness to fire and poison that the other "human" classes do. (Your Co-op being part fire)

Signature Sequence, man. Signature Sequence. That's Chizuru and Pierce. Solidarity Counter, you know.

[Menarker]

You're horrible and should take several allignment penalties downward if you even allow that in-character. Chizuru surely would not condone such a dismissive regard for a comrade using what is blatently overkill power laser!

The other reason why I suggested using Devil's Drift on Togekiss (aside from RP purpose) was to enable us to hit Moera with the laser. Otherwise, Moera would not be effected at all since Togekiss on the far end of the laser. By ejecting Togekiss out, the next slot/foe down the line is Moera!

With my plan, we'd be hitting both bosses with the laser and removing Togekiss out of action without causing needness damage!

Just out of curiousity, why do you think Moonlight Disco would work on the Betas but not Solidarity Counter? Unless you're thinking that the Betas are incapable of appreciating Chizuru's hotness to be stunned for the turn.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

You're horrible and should take several allignment penalties downward if you even allow that in-character. Chizuru surely would not condone such a dismissive regard for a comrade using what is blatently overkill power laser!

Oh come on. We can't spare the attacks to eject Togekiss. Or rather, we could, but we'd be crippling ourselves. Those attacks are just better spent on other purposes.

If it helps, Pierce isn't going to like it, but he understands it needs to be done.

Originally Posted by Menarker

The other reason why I suggested using Devil's Drift on Togekiss (aside from RP purpose) was to enable us to hit Moera with the laser. Otherwise, Moera would not be effected at all. By ejecting Togekiss out, the next slot is Moera!

Lexhur Laser hits five targets, man. Just center the thing on the Battlebot and Moera will be hit.

Originally Posted by Menarker

With my plan, we'd be hitting both bosses with the laser!

We'd be doing that with my plan too!

[Menarker]

But the center is where the most amount of damage is dealt and I thought we were trying to get rid of Mio the most, not the battlebot.

And you say we can't spare the attacks to eject Togekiss, but you need equal amount of actions to knock out Togekiss the old fashioned way unless you're using the laser. And using your particular plan weakens the offense that we could do on Mio for an overkill on a relatively unimportant target, the battlebot. Your plan would cripple our effective offense by wasting most of the damage as overkill on the bot. My plan not only increases the damage on the bosses, making it easier to gang up on it with other attacks, but also removes the Togekiss threat for enough time to deal with things (while also making life tough on Moera).

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

But the center is where the most amount of damage is dealt and I thought we were trying to get rid of Mio the most, not the battlebot.

And you say we can't spare the attacks to eject Togekiss, but you need equal amount of actions to knock out Togekiss the old fashioned way unless you're using the laser. And using your particular plan weakens the offense that we could do on Mio for an overkill on a relatively unimportant target, the battlebot. Your plan would cripple our effective offense by wasting most of the damage as overkill on the bot. My plan not only increases the damage on the bosses, making it easier to gang up on it with other attacks, but also removes the Togekiss threat for enough time to deal with things (while also making life tough on Moera).

I'm fairly certain (which is to say I'm completely certain), that if we were to, say, have Lexhur center his laser on the Battlebot and then use Devil's Drift (for increased damage because she'd be resisting the ejection) on Miyo, it'd be more damage on her than if we ejected Togekiss and centered the Laser on her. The difference probably wouldn't be very big, but noticeable enough.

Unless you want to use Devil's Drift and center the Laser on Miyo, but that's not what you're proposing, is it?

Also, since ejected enemies can't be replaced, I'm wondering if any area attacks that would hit those spots simply skip over to the next one. The space is still there, after all. It's just not being used and can't be filled.

Hey AB, if we use an AoE attack on a spot that was occupied by an enemy that was ejected from battle, is the attack wasted or does it simply skip over to the next enemy?

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

I'm fairly certain (which is to say I'm completely certain), that if we were to, say, have Lexhur center his laser on the Battlebot and then use Devil's Drift (for increased damage because she'd be resisting the ejection) on Miyo, it'd be more damage on her than if we ejected Togekiss and centered the Laser on her. The difference probably wouldn't be very big, but noticeable enough.

Can you also confirm if Drac's guess is accurate, or if its just wild speculation?

Mind you, Lexhur's Laser is supposed to be immensely powerful when centered, to the point that it's supposed to be a 100% OHKO chance normally. Hence why I think focusing it on her is so important.

However, it is worth noting that ruin types have a weakness to steel type, which is the type of damage that Devil's Drift would do.

Heck, I wonder if the best thing to do is have Lexhur run wild and spam Devil's Drift on her (four times total), smacking her across the field from building to building, as the train swings its large body all across the field like a dragon's chaotically thrashing tail.
Granted, we wouldn't get the AOE effect, but focusing all that super effective damage is surely worth more damage single target than the laser itself since it's spending equal cost of rage.

"You aren't going to sing your special song anymore, young lass? Oh, of course not, I beg your pardon for not noticing. I seem to have gone and smashed up your ribs and inner organs, dear me!"

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Heck, I wonder if the best thing to do is have Lexhur run wild and spam Devil's Drift on her (four times total), smacking her across the field from building to building, as the train swings its large body all across the field like a dragon's chaotically thrashing tail.
Granted, we wouldn't get the AOE effect, but focusing all that super effective damage is surely worth more damage single target than the laser itself since it's spending equal cost of rage.

It would probably be overkill.

And then we'd have to deal with a bunch of extremely pissed of Betas and Moera at full health.

[Astral Harmony]

Impact's damage is corrected now.

Rather, the physical damage that he is no longer taking. Not the mental damage that he suffers on a near-constant basis.

Mio's song is keeping the Asura Betas in check and focused. With her out of the picture...well, feel free to do it and we'll see what happens.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Rather, the physical damage that he is no longer taking. Not the mental damage that he suffers on a near-constant basis.

Meh, he brought it on himself.

Also, you missed a couple of questions.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

It would probably be overkill.

And then we'd have to deal with a bunch of extremely pissed of Betas and Moera at full health.

I somehow don't think it would be overkill or even a knockout, even if it is closer to it than the laser... Keep in mind that Mio got +1 stat boosts to all stats due to Supreme Restore. (Oddly enough, less effective than the ones that the Dark and Light tried using which boosted their stats by 3 stages)

Anyhow, isn't trying to make the Betas operate at random (out of control due to last of Ruin Harmonic) via knocking out the person who could control them part of the plan? Hence the reason why she is perhaps our primary target?

But yes, having to deal with Moera, the battle bot, the golduck pokebrid and the Betas that do attack us would be troublesome a bit.

*Waiting for AB's answers to the other previous questions*