Parasite Eve: 3rd Birthday OR Squeenix are a bunch of fucking idiots

[Yumil]

I've read the whole thread, but here's another example of if they were woman, this wouldn't be funny, but exploitive. In Shadow Hearts 2, you have to collect 10 "stud" cards to give to this one shop keeper to unlock dresses for one of the characters doll/puppet. Notice how all the men are muscular:O

If they used playboys, that wouldn't be funny, it'd be sexist*cough Mafia 2 cough,* but collectible cards with naked men with strategically placed items to cover their junk is fine and hilarious.

[akaSM]

This reminds me of something I read about some time ago. People are afraid of things because they're somewhat "vulgar" or "sacred" or whatever. There was a time when you couldn't show the bowl (I think that's what it's called) of the toilet in TV, there was even an ad for some product that had to be used in the bowl so, since the bowl couldn't be shown on TV, guess what they did? They had a little guy in a boat in the toilet's water tank talking about stuff. Yeah, showing a toilet was bad some time ago, but today? They even show them around 3pm here, and people usually eat around that time. Basically, what I mean is that people are afraid of certain things because they haven't seen them that often. Just like girls in pants some time ago, "bad words" (e.g. Penis vs junk), and in this case, the female body. We just don't see as much female torso nudity outside of a "I'd hit that" context, while male nudity can be both sexual and casual. If you see a topless guy you might think "that looks nice" or "oh, a guy", while, if you see a topless girl you'll think either "I'd hit that" or "get some clothes on!". Maybe people will lose the fear of the female body over time, but until that time comes, we'll have to deal with stuff like this topic :/
. Also, they'd better add some justification to the whole nakedness part, in ghosts and goblins you had the "you get an armor and some benefits" part. You had an extra hit so you would last longer, and even an armor specific weapon upgrade. I'm not against nudity or anything, but adding it for the heck of it... I just hate that...stupid twilight movies...

TL;DR: people need to see more nekkid women to get used to them

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The only way to solve this is just to make all videogame characters nude.

[greed]

Originally Posted by akaSM

This reminds me of something I read about some time ago. People are afraid of things because they're somewhat "vulgar" or "sacred" or whatever. There was a time when you couldn't show the bowl (I think that's what it's called) of the toilet in TV, there was even an ad for some product that had to be used in the bowl so, since the bowl couldn't be shown on TV, guess what they did? They had a little guy in a boat in the toilet's water tank talking about stuff. Yeah, showing a toilet was bad some time ago, but today? They even show them around 3pm here, and people usually eat around that time. Basically, what I mean is that people are afraid of certain things because they haven't seen them that often. Just like girls in pants some time ago, "bad words" (e.g. Penis vs junk), and in this case, the female body. We just don't see as much female torso nudity outside of a "I'd hit that" context, while male nudity can be both sexual and casual. If you see a topless guy you might think "that looks nice" or "oh, a guy", while, if you see a topless girl you'll think either "I'd hit that" or "get some clothes on!". Maybe people will lose the fear of the female body over time, but until that time comes, we'll have to deal with stuff like this topic :/
. Also, they'd better add some justification to the whole nakedness part, in ghosts and goblins you had the "you get an armor and some benefits" part. You had an extra hit so you would last longer, and even an armor specific weapon upgrade. I'm not against nudity or anything, but adding it for the heck of it... I just hate that...stupid twilight movies...

TL;DR: people need to see more nekkid women to get used to them

Aka. Read the goddamn rest of the thread before you post, for fuck's sake Kyanbu pulled the same fuck up last page. This ain't a prudishness thing, it's a sexism thing. Did you hear me complaining about Heavy Rain's full frontal nudity? Or Mass Effect's side nudity? Hell you ever hear me complain about Soul Calibur or any one of a dozen fighting games skimpy costumes? Nope? I'm not against nudity or even fanservice, as long as the level of it fits the game it goes in and it ain't creepily extreme and weird (hello there Star Ocean 4). Fighting games and action games are meant to be over the top spectacles so skimpy costumes are okay, Mass Effect used it as part of a romance and Heavy Rain had casual nudity because and treated it with the mature nonchalance you're advocating and I agree with.


The issue here(at least for me, NonCon seems to be more against fanservice in general) is that a game from a series that formerly had a low level of fanservice if any, let alone creepy over the top pseudo S&M fanservice is adding immature exploitative bullshit to appeal to pathetic neckbearded creeps. Which is demeaning to women and insulting to men. And infuriating to someone like NonCon who loved the first installment that didn't feel the need to pull this kind of bullshit.

Of course we're all missing the most worst thing. Motomu Toriyama is making another game, instead of dying from massive rectal bleeding after getting a horse to sodomise him, like he would in any merciful universe. This is the man responsible for FFX-2 and FFXIII, the game is going to be decently playable at best(assuming he's on his FFX-2 game, if he's on his FFXIII game it's going to be unplayable) and the story and writing are going to insult our intelligence even more than the fanservice will.

[RobinStarwing]

One moment....

Originally Posted by greed

Of course we're all missing the most worst thing. Motomu Toriyama is making another game, instead of dying from massive rectal bleeding after getting a horse to sodomise him, like he would in any merciful universe. This is the man responsible for FFX-2 and FFXIII, the game is going to be decently playable at best(assuming he's on his FFX-2 game, if he's on his FFXIII game it's going to be unplayable) and the story and writing are going to insult our intelligence even more than the fanservice will.

I always liked FFX-2 because it was an easy story that didn't take itself seriously in my view. If you are going to do a Fanservice, that is what it should be. A story that doesn't take itself seriously and you don't need a notebook to follow.

Parasite Eve was NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER...

...!!!!NEVER!!!!...

...meant to be a Fanservice game. The subject matter is too serious and it's a horror game for Goddess' sake!

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Maybe some moderator did it because they were tired of having to attach thread tags to shit.

It's this.

Start putting tags on your threads and I won't do it for you, just to clear things up.

(It was between "Seil" and "rep me!")

[Jagos]

Well, Parasite Eve was a book first so... Yeah.

[Nique]

I was gonna say I didn't think FFX-2 was really, like, sexual fanservice too much and seemed to be aimed at girls, but then I remembered the erotic backrub, and also the visit to the hotsprings... and ostensibly every guy on the crew of the Gulwings having constant nosebleeds.

[akaSM]

Originally Posted by greed

Aka. Read the goddamn rest of the thread before you post, for fuck's sake Kyanbu pulled the same fuck up last page. This ain't a prudishness thing, it's a sexism thing. Did you hear me complaining about Heavy Rain's full frontal nudity? Or Mass Effect's side nudity? Hell you ever hear me complain about Soul Calibur or any one of a dozen fighting games skimpy costumes? Nope? I'm not against nudity or even fanservice, as long as the level of it fits the game it goes in and it ain't creepily extreme and weird (hello there Star Ocean 4). Fighting games and action games are meant to be over the top spectacles so skimpy costumes are okay, Mass Effect used it as part of a romance and Heavy Rain had casual nudity because and treated it with the mature nonchalance you're advocating and I agree with.

Sorry, I didn't find any post by Kyanbu with the stuff I said, i.e. society being afraid to things that aren't usually seen, heard or whatever. I didn't even mention sexism in my post, yeah, this has to do with sexism but, IMHO, it's more a problem with the way society sees things, and not entirely sexism. Ok, want a videogame example for my post? Just look at Mortal Kombat and all the controversy it caused back then, now you see games with more violence and you don't see people complaining, people got "used" to violent videogames. Ok, there's an example for my post, but it doesn't involve anything about sexism, here's one. Pants, women couldn't just wear them some years ago just because...it wasn't something women could do. Yes, that's sexist, and yet women began to wear pants too, at first people looked at those women in a weird way, but over time, guess what? People got "used" to looking at women wearing pants.

In general, this kind of problems don't have ANYTHING to do with sexism, there are a lot of examples everywhere. Sexism just comes in play if the problem goes just for one gender.

Just in case, yes, I know the meaning of the word sexism and yes, this thread's topic has to do with sexism, but try to see the base problem (society being afraid of things not usually seen, heard, whatever) before trying to tell me "this HAS to do with sexism"

[Nique]

I didn't even mention sexism in my post, yeah, this has to do with sexism but, IMHO, it's more a problem with the way society sees things, and not entirely sexism.

Ok I really have no idea what you're trying to say here. Becuase it sounds like you're saying we'll just get use to pointless depictions of the harmful exploitation of women (or men) as a normal part of entertainment, eventually?

society being afraid of things not usually seen, heard, whatever

Counterpoint: Noncon loves nekkid people and he's up in arms about teh sexisms here. So I'm not sure how you're accounting for this in your assesment.

In general, this kind of problems don't have ANYTHING to do with sexism, there are a lot of examples everywhere. Sexism just comes in play if the problem goes just for one gender.

I mean... Look it just honestly seems that you're speaking from ignorance here or you're being incredibly unclear. I'm not sure if it's just a long day and my brain is fried but I'm not really understanding what exactly you think the 'problem' is.