Ultimate Spider Man: Peter Parker is dead, long live Spider-Man

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Julford Hajime

But I post comments on online articles

Yup.

[Kim]

Spiderman was a big part of my childhood. Not so much my adult life.

I don't read all the comics, but that doesn't mean I'm not attached to the hero.

Beyond that, I hardly think everyone who did grow up with Spiderman and read all the comics and owns all the action figures is on the anti-new-Spidey side by default, which was my point more than anything. How many times have we seen Spidey's origin rehashed? Perhaps it's time for something actually new.

[Jagos]

How many times have we seen Spidey's origin rehashed? Perhaps it's time for something actually new.

That I'll agree with. The rest is just reaching.

[Kim]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Jagos

That I'll agree with. The rest is just reaching.

Originally Posted by NonCon

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Cool it, both of you.

[Token]

Originally Posted by Jagos

And it's a Marvel character. It's just a matter of time before they bring Parker back through Dr. Strange or the Scarlet Witch or introduce a new arc where we get to go to an alternate universe where Peter Parker survives.

Both dead. And people stay dead in the Ultimate universe.

Originally Posted by Jagos

\/ I agree with Aero here. Maybe I'm not expressing it as well, but killing off Peter Parker, putting up a black/latino Spiderman, then saying there's a possibility that he'll be gay in the future, screams attention in all the wrong ways.

Originally Posted by NonCon

There's already a universe where Parker survives. It's called the normal Marvel universe.

Except 616 Peter and Ultimate Peter are quite different, when it comes right down to it.

Originally Posted by NonCon

Still sounds pretty mad!

Are you implying that I and everyone who supports this change exist in a different dimension from yours and have only come to know of Spiderman's existence quite recently?

That's dimensionist.

You've admitted you know jack and shit about Spidey, and stuff you've said has backed that up. Jagos is used to the character, followed him, and related to him. You barely know the character. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it here.

And as for all this "oh, he'll come back lol," since the start of the Ultimate Universe, I'm fairly certain there was exactly ONE character who "came back to life," and he wasn't even killed in the first place.

The argument that it's dumb to get upset about Peter dying because we still have 616 Peter is ignorant as hell, by the way. They aren't the same character. One is a man who many readers lost all respect for when he was selfish enough to throw away his marriage, unborn child (who many readers loved, since she would grow up to be Spider-Girl), and decades of continuity all for the sake of selfishly bringing back a woman who's time had canonically come, and was on death's doorstep anyway. The other is a boy who tries to do the right thing no matter what, to the extent where he took a bullet for a man who called him an idiotic child not two hours before, then, while bleeding to death, saved his neighborhood and family.

As for how the media's handling this, it's annoying me because he is being marketed based on his status as a minority, rather than letting who he is develop naturally, in a universe THAT HAS ALREADY HANDLED IT BETTER. Ultimate Colossus is gay. He was not marketed as gay, there were no press releases announcing him to be gay, and it was treated realistically and respectfully. Miles, on the other hand, while I quite like the bits of his character I've seen in Ultimate Fallout, is being marketed as "THE BLACK-LATIN SPIDER-MAN WHO WE'RE HINTING MAY BE GAY," instead of just "the new Spider-Man." It's pandering, done entirely for publicity, and it reeks of executive meddling, especially since Peter was killed just to bring this guy on board despite the fact that Bendis had another couple years worth of stories ready.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

My dad grew up in a time when his parents were looked at funny for being interracial. His mom was hispanic and his dad was white. I love that we live in a world where there are interracial characters. I do think it's a good idea to promote minorities in comics but that doesn't effect my view on the new Spider-Man.

I'm a fan of Peter Parker. I don't know this new guy. It's not that he's bi-racial, it's that he's new and I just don't know him. That's the entire reason for my skepticism. He's a new guy being pushed into a role we're all very familiar with. But I have hope because of one character: Jaimie Reyes.

A few years ago Jaimie Reyes became the new Blue Beetle (a sort of c-list hero) and there was a bit of an uproar among the fans. Eventually though, they fell in love with the character as they grew to know him. Not as a minority replacement but as a true hero. And that's what we need. Heroes who just so happen to not be white.

Race in comics doesn't matter. The Falcon was one of the first black heroes to rise to prominence and he even headlined a title with Captain America. I would prefer that heroes like the Falcon be given bigger roles rather than "replace" heroes with minorities but I get it. It's hard to make an iconic hero so I can see the reasoning behind making the new wielder of superhero moniker a minority.

Focus on race needs to be replaced by a focus on the characterization.

[Fifthfiend]

Like IDG why so many people in this thread seem to think Spider-Man is being replaced, as opposed to one low-selling alternate-universe version of Spider-Man being replaced.

Like nobody in this thread except maybe Sevenshot has any basis for talking about the character they "grew up with" being replaced, because this isn't that character. And only him if he's one of the like... 20,000 people in the United States who still buys Ultimate Spider-Man.

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon was kind of crap in comparison to the 90's Animated series one.

The comics weren't awful though.

Edit: I am being told there isn't an Ultimate Spiderman cartoon yet. I'm mis-remembering some other one that I disliked based on horrible character design and crappy coloring.

[Token]

I grew up with him, and I buy it because it's consistently good, unlike the mainline titles. :|