No One Gives A Shit About That Climate Change Thing That's Going to Kill Us All - Page 10

Sifright · 09-01-2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ecks

pffffft whatever romney
I never had an issue with obama wanting to push for environmentalism

And romney trying to make him look like a shithead for it is classic republican "i care more about your money I mean wellbeing than the other guy" bullshit

Granted, obama wasn't really good at delivering on his promises, but when all the rich white folks in congress wont work with you because theyre racist money grubbing queefstains, you kinda look like you aren't doing a good job to all the uneducated ignorant dickheads we share a country with.

So is there like room for two more up in canada? We like the sound of free healthcare and a non corporate owned government where people are people and corporations aren't.

hohoho, silly ecks every western government is owned by it's corporations unless you plan to move to Scandinavia which actually isn't a terrible idea!

Amake · 09-01-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...I dunno. I think I was more impressed with Obama's promise, personally.

If you believe you and your family are more important than life on this planet, the Republican party is the party for you!

Osterbaum · 09-02-2012, 12:52 PM

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hohoho, silly ecks every western government is owned by it's corporations unless you plan to move to Scandinavia which actually isn't a terrible idea!

hohoho, give it 10 more years and we'll be the same as everywhere else

Aerozord · 09-02-2012, 08:01 PM

well we are a globalized world. Average citizen of a developed nation can communicate with anyone on the planet instantly and afford to travel there if they so choose. Imported and exported goods are common place. Most of the planet speaks english (not natively, including those that know it as secondary)

Geopolitical nation states are pretty outdated. Corporations aren't limited by geographical location and can influence economics, law, and culture on a global level. If something is illegal, like say paying their factory workers slave wages, they can just have the plant somewhere that they can. We either adopt some form of world government or accept that soon nation states will just be paper tigers and corporations are what really decide policy.

Hell look at global warming. Even if the US did crack down on CO2 emissions they'd just move factories somewhere else. Do that to power plants, yea we are helping but that doesn't stop China from belching CO2 out by the metric ton. If you want to stop global warming we are either going to need to push technologies that make alternatives more profitable or get some global treaties or something.

CABAL49 · 09-03-2012, 05:29 AM

China actually produces less CO2 than the US and is taking measures to reduce their emissions. It is really only the US who doesn't believe it exists. If you take away the government subsidies for oil, the alternatives become cheaper a lot faster.

There are also several global treaties, the US is not a part of any of them.

Sifright · 09-03-2012, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CABAL49

China actually produces less CO2 than the US and is taking measures to reduce their emissions. It is really only the US who doesn't believe it exists. If you take away the government subsidies for oil, the alternatives become cheaper a lot faster.

There are also several global treaties, the US is not a part of any of them.

To be fair this isn't strictly accurate China does produce more CO2 than USA but only because it has three times the population.

China is on par with Europe for CO2 output per person and is working to aggressively curtail its output as well. Mostly by building ass loads of 3rd generation nuclear plants. They over 60 projects being built right now. So yea basically USA needs to stop prevaricating on this and get it's ass in gear before they take the world for a nose dive.

Solid Snake · 09-03-2012, 02:33 PM

Solid Snake · 09-15-2012, 10:13 AM

I love the fact that we're at 0/144,000 nearly as much as I love the fact that Cape Wind's photo in this article is seen by those landowners as some sort of horrific atrocity, y'know, so much worse than fossil fuel pollution or nuclear radiation. There are windmills on the horizon, someone call the fucking NIMBY Police!

Magus · 09-15-2012, 05:14 PM

If I go up on the hill at the back of my house I can see some new wind turbines they put in a few years ago, the big giant ones, I think it was twenty to help power the Altoona metropolitan area. If I drive to said city they are to the right, right up on the top of the Buckhorn.

My life has not been utterly destroyed by these developments. They are no worse an eye sore than the barren wastes from the coal stripping I can also see up there on the Allegheny Front from my house.

They installed wind farms all through the Allegheny Front, you know who cared? No one. They help provide electricity and are no more an eyesore than the various radio towers, gas wells, etc. one can also see if you go outside. Well, I'm sure a few people complained--because they are ignorant as to their actual impact on their life (next to zero negatives), or they are making money off of natural gas development. I mean, hey, I make money off of natural gas, too--but I'm not going to speak out against wind farming.

Oh and there's also those absolutely ludicrous "Clean Coal" people--seriously, shut the fuck up. There is no such thing as clean coal, you idiots, and the coal mining boom is the worst thing that ever happened to Pennsylvania in its entire history, if you ask me. It made a lot of people rich, but it didn't do a whole lot for the working class, or at least not enough to make up for my grandfather, and thousands of other workers, dying of from black lung and cave-ins. It also ruined the environment when they moved onto stripping, though at least then it actually did lead to something of an economic boon for actual workers. In any case, the coal boom is done with, it's gone. Get over it. Fracking is the new deal--but why not invest in wind farming, which unlike gas doesn't add to global warming? You also avoid the possible environmental problems that come with fracking, as well.

09-02-2012, 08:01 PM	#94
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	well we are a globalized world. Average citizen of a developed nation can communicate with anyone on the planet instantly and afford to travel there if they so choose. Imported and exported goods are common place. Most of the planet speaks english (not natively, including those that know it as secondary) Geopolitical nation states are pretty outdated. Corporations aren't limited by geographical location and can influence economics, law, and culture on a global level. If something is illegal, like say paying their factory workers slave wages, they can just have the plant somewhere that they can. We either adopt some form of world government or accept that soon nation states will just be paper tigers and corporations are what really decide policy. Hell look at global warming. Even if the US did crack down on CO2 emissions they'd just move factories somewhere else. Do that to power plants, yea we are helping but that doesn't stop China from belching CO2 out by the metric ton. If you want to stop global warming we are either going to need to push technologies that make alternatives more profitable or get some global treaties or something. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

09-03-2012, 02:33 PM	#97
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09-15-2012, 10:13 AM	#98
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I love the fact that we're at 0/144,000 nearly as much as I love the fact that Cape Wind's photo in this article is seen by those landowners as some sort of horrific atrocity, y'know, so much worse than fossil fuel pollution or nuclear radiation. There are windmills on the horizon, someone call the fucking NIMBY Police! __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-15-2012, 05:14 PM	#99
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	If I go up on the hill at the back of my house I can see some new wind turbines they put in a few years ago, the big giant ones, I think it was twenty to help power the Altoona metropolitan area. If I drive to said city they are to the right, right up on the top of the Buckhorn. My life has not been utterly destroyed by these developments. They are no worse an eye sore than the barren wastes from the coal stripping I can also see up there on the Allegheny Front from my house. They installed wind farms all through the Allegheny Front, you know who cared? No one. They help provide electricity and are no more an eyesore than the various radio towers, gas wells, etc. one can also see if you go outside. Well, I'm sure a few people complained--because they are ignorant as to their actual impact on their life (next to zero negatives), or they are making money off of natural gas development. I mean, hey, I make money off of natural gas, too--but I'm not going to speak out against wind farming. Oh and there's also those absolutely ludicrous "Clean Coal" people--seriously, shut the fuck up. There is no such thing as clean coal, you idiots, and the coal mining boom is the worst thing that ever happened to Pennsylvania in its entire history, if you ask me. It made a lot of people rich, but it didn't do a whole lot for the working class, or at least not enough to make up for my grandfather, and thousands of other workers, dying of from black lung and cave-ins. It also ruined the environment when they moved onto stripping, though at least then it actually did lead to something of an economic boon for actual workers. In any case, the coal boom is done with, it's gone. Get over it. Fracking is the new deal--but why not invest in wind farming, which unlike gas doesn't add to global warming? You also avoid the possible environmental problems that come with fracking, as well. Last edited by Magus; 09-15-2012 at 05:36 PM.

09-03-2012, 05:29 AM	#95
CABAL49 Not bad. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Senatus Populusque Americanus Posts: 1,584	China actually produces less CO2 than the US and is taking measures to reduce their emissions. It is really only the US who doesn't believe it exists. If you take away the government subsidies for oil, the alternatives become cheaper a lot faster. There are also several global treaties, the US is not a part of any of them.