Mythological Roleplay

[Marinan]

Unless he's responsible for the murder of millions of people, like Mors. Or even indirectly, like Charok.

[Akamaz]

Originally Posted by Mors

"I'm in ur base, killin' ur doodz"

[Squishy Cheeks]

Originally Posted by Marinan

Unless he's responsible for the murder of millions of people, like Mors. Or even indirectly, like Charok.

Can you call what a god of death does as murder? In theory its doing its job, and usualy the God of death isn't the one doing the killing, they're just there to make the pain stop. You know the knife in the stomach, or the brain tumor, or the fall from a tall object did the killing.

Even the blight doesn't kill animals or people unless they...

A)don't kill the undead monsters and starve to death cause their food sources dry up.
B)don't move away, and starve to death cause their food sources dry up.
C)Get killed by the undead, that brought the blight in the first place.

Also Mors hasn't killed anybody that wasn't already dieing, yet. We still have yet to see what they consider "play"

[Arhra]

Originally Posted by Squishy Cheeks

This RP only works as long as we all agree it does.

You are correct. And you are the only person who is not in agreement.

You claim Tcharne shot Charok in the back, and so "deserves whatever happens to her". Whether she did or not is irrelevant to power concerns. It is the feeling of other people that this curse was too easily done. Lumaes has made a very valid point about being able to blight all a god's followers with madness by the same logic. It tears the door open to all kinds of badness if its that easy.

There's also minor logical issues like how exactly does wood know who worships who? What if the people in question worship multiple gods?

Also, you say that you didn't ignore the attack and yet I see no reference of it at all. How is that not ignoring it? At the very least mention Charok not doing anything to defend. However, if Charok doesn't defend himself, he would be severely weakened. Tcharne would triumph with ease and drag him before the other gods for judgement.

As an aside, that would ruin the meaning of the gesture as they could compel him to undo the curse or perhaps undo it themselves. It really won't accomplish much.

As to the "he's in his own element" argument, Tcharne has taken steps to negate that by using Charok's own blight on the wood. I have also made my intentions very clear previously, and mentioned Tcharne preparing for him. She is the one choosing where to fight.

Originally Posted by Squishy Cheeks

This is assault; assault is crime; crimes should be punished.

You mean crimes like reneging on a deal, spreading heresy, inciting insurrection and causing widespread suffering? Tcharne acts to bring a renegade before the other gods with a minimum of bloodshed (from her perspective at least). Everything she does is justifiable (again, from her view at least).

To summarise: I'd advise replacing that curse with something else because of the power concerns and, from the dramatic point of view, the way events can be reasonably anticipated to unfold, it would not really accomplish much.

Something of a tangent, but we need a new discussion thread.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Originally Posted by Arhra

As to the "he's in his own element" argument, Tcharne has taken steps to negate that by using Charok's own blight on the wood.

Originally Posted by Charok's blight curse.

The deep dark forrests that are my domain shall become hostile to you.

And what!?! I don't see any undead around. The blight don't work here. Nice try punk. I'm getting tired of your Tcharne took steps to counter it bullshit, and you accuse me of godmodding. You're right though, I am the only one disagreeing. That is well within my rights to do. Charok never reneged on the deal. The deal was that he wouldn't claim the souls of Gibrah's prophets. The deal made no mention of anything other than that. That means anything else is fair game. Have you ever heard of making a deal with the devil? It's kind of like gambling in vegas.

as to the other points

spreading heresy(1), inciting insurrection(2) and causing widespread suffering(3)?

1: It is not heresy and I will not recant.

2: oh and Gibrah's undead baby nappers are so much better?

3: You ain't seen nothing yet.

Don't speak of my crimes, when I can speak of yours with greater eloquency.

-You have interfered with gods in performance of their duties since your arrival, I think that would qualify as heresy.

-You are attempting to usurp Kamin's authority by playing judge, jury, and executioner, I think that qualifies as insiting inserection.

-You have directly assaulted a god. Something none of the other gods have done. Most of us were content to let out followers and servants duke it out, you just escalated the game. This also sets a bad precedent in marking you as reckless, in your disregard for decorum, and for your lack of respect for authority, Tcharne is not the ruler of the gods. Charok made it abundantly clear that he only answers to Kamin, the god who made the world. I might of missed it, but I don't remember Kamin sanctioning you to bring me in or giving you a domain making you a god of justice (which is Tordal's realm if I remember correctly), especially since if he willed it, I would appear before him. Meaning you have no legal authority to attack me in the first place. Talking about your displeasure was fine, but attacking crossed the line.

-Your blatant disregard for consequences where your own actions are concerned will directly result in widespread suffering. Charok has enough respect for the other gods not to attack them directly, so it was a safe bet to assume he was not going to counter attack. I mean honestly there are just somethings the gods shouldn't do, and that is attack each other. We have to much power to use it so irresponsibly, as to have open warfare.

These accusations of to much power or the curse was done to quickly are bullshit. In this RP we are gods, not people with superpowers, this is what gods do, one tabletop rp I played gave no stats for one of the characters because he was a god, the book said. He can tear you apart and put you back togtether again, and repeat that until he gets bored in less than a second. That is the level of power we are dealing with, and that is why it should be restricted in its uses. The God of the Israelites turned the Nile river to blood, caused a plague of frogs, flies, locusts, darkness, hail and fire, Boils, dead cattle, and then the death of the first born, because Pharoh wouldn't let his people worship him. Demeter, greek goddess of grain and agriculture, cursed the world with unending winter until her daughter was returned to her. The curse stands, deal with it.

[Arhra]

You seem to be growing a bit hostile Squishy. Admittedly, I'm feeling a bit snarky myself.

I have simply been restating something I said from the beginning - Tcharne came prepared. I've openly stated some of that information in this discussion thread and alluded to it in the lead up to the confrontation.

The blight's use is the 'make the land barren' part of it. Tcharne pulled out the raw blight that was still on a part of the land and is using it as a weapon to wither the woods.

With the deal, Gibrah went and asked for amnesty for his prophets. It was decided to have a duel between them instead and as an additional wager they bet the orcs and undead. With it being a draw, they agree to make a switch. Charok then starts calling them defiers of his divine charges and curses them. It's a bit like buying something off someone and then having that person claim you stole it. I'll just add that the gods are intending to bring him back into line too, but at least he isn't directly meddling.

But the key point is that the gods need limitations on their abilities. Everything else is just details. If they can do such things so easily, how can they meaningfully interact with one another? For the essential premise of this RP to work, we can't have omnipotence. I mentioned it a while ago as one of my assumptions for the RP and no-one disputed it back then. The problem with the curse is more one of scale. Sure, severely cursing all the people in a city is fine, but the entire world?! To head off the winter example, that was a case of not performing an important duty rather than a big curse. One's a lot more passive than the other.

I would like to put an end to all this wrangling. Could we get some other voices in here or have some sort of vote?

EDIT: Post was condensed and some points deemed irrelevent removed.

[Akamaz]

Originally Posted by the first post in this thread

"it takes effort to maintain vast quantities of one's own homeplane on the planet the god's will create"

I'd take that as it takes a bit of effort to make something happen, not "I snap my fingers and wood no longer works"

[Astral Harmony]

Half my divine realm for a cable internet company with better than half-assed (or even quarter-assed) customer service when connectivity drops.

Should have a post up soon after I read all the stuff.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Gee tell me, wher is the Homeplane for a god of woods? Don't get bullshit metaphysics you wrote for yourself. There is not science to it. A god imposes his will on reality. The Will and the word. A god speakes the curse into existance and it is so. So it is written, so let it be done.

The deal never spoke of making a race of undead, races that can be grown SO yes GIBRAH WAS STEALING FROM CHAROK, The deal said he would not kill them if they one the duel, and he has not killed them. He never said he wouldn't punish them, he never said he wouldn't curse them, he never said he wouldn't make their unlives hell, as much as his power allows. So don't say I broke the deal. It was a deal with the devil, if you make a deal with the devil you are gonna get burned. Also that deal had nothing to do with you, so stop using it for justification. You were not a witness to it and you were not a party to it. It does not concern you, and your interpretation in the slightest. If Gibrah has a problem with the way the deal went down, he can make a petition to Kamin. Again you are not the High God in this rp. You don't enforce bargains. So why are you coming after me. You have no legal standing in this matter, you have no authority in this matter, and it's not like your people stay dead anyway.

Besides you are talking about a god directly affecting his element, while he is attached to it. You never seperated me from the throne. I'm sitting on the Wood God's throne and your telling me I can't make a decree? That is bullshit. I don't tell you how to play a god, don't tell me how to play one, just cause I do something you don't like. I don't like this whole fucking scenario, but you seem so hell bent to play out this stupid little story. So we'll play it out, but do not expect it to go the way you planned. That, but I prepared for that, or I'm going to use your own curse against you B.S. is getting old for your justification for god modding yourself. Did you even read the blight curse. The lands only whither AROUND THE UNDEAD, Charok is not the god of the undead. There are not undead here cause, as I pointed out previously, the woods try to kill them. So the land is not withering. You're trying to kill a tree with rat poison. Let me explain this in terms of FF so we are all clear: to a tree the blight is a beserk buff; to small to large plants, underbrush, and crops it is a poison buff; to the undead it makes necromancy painful; and to people or animals it fails automatically. So stop pretending you even know what you are doing.

Edit: you wants osme build up, there is some build up.

[Marinan]

Squishy, you could do such a thing with the wood's curse, but that would take away needed energy from you. And you would be overwhelmed by Tcharne should she choose another form of attack.