Hurfworld? No - Erfworld! - Page 11

01d55 · 02-24-2010, 10:01 PM

Well look at that new update, proving my easy guesses totally right. Slately and Stanley have never even heard of this before; it's clearly outside the bounds even of linked Turnamancy and only Charlie can make it happen.

Wigmund · 02-24-2010, 10:24 PM

I'm wondering who Jillian's gonna have turned.

Gregness · 02-24-2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loyal

Forum suggests that the Turnamancer is linked, which would make sense with the "DO NOT TRY TO TALK TO THIS UNIT" bit in the text update, but still.

Bullshit.

That guy does a lot of bitching. Notably, he says that not even Magic: the Gathering has anything so obviously bullshit. He's wrong.

Odjn · 02-25-2010, 05:16 AM

Ansom.

Also, yeah, I forgot what card it was but I remembered there was a blue blueshit card. Though to be honest half of blue is blueshit.

Arhra · 02-26-2010, 02:23 AM

And just ending the turn is bullshit? There's a hojillion games that allow you to take an extra turn. Having it cut off the middle of the opponent's turn is the unexpected part.

How about "you control your opponent's next turn" ?

Odjn · 02-26-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Arhra

And just ending the turn is bullshit? There's a hojillion games that allow you to take an extra turn. Having it cut off the middle of the opponent's turn is the unexpected part.

How about "you control your opponent's next turn" ?

Well, there's a reason TS is ten times as hax as that one, and one of them is there's no set up. Anyone can play mindslaver, but not instantly. In addition to that, there are effects that cannot be countered at all, yet Time Stop counters them. The drawback of course is the high cost and you can play spells to resolve after someone hits you with it, but if you're tapped out/no cards in hand/etc it basically ruins the game for you because A) it gave them another turn to pull off more blue bullshit and B) if he didn't know what you were doing before, now he does.

Also also, Mindslaver has a setup time, then a use time. Even if you have the mana to play and use mindslaver the turn it comes out, someone can Time Stop the mindslaver while it's still on the stack, or counter it with a spell that costs less, or even wait til you activate the ability and use a spell to destroy it before the effect resolves (actually not sure on that one, been a while since I played MTG).

Arhra · 02-26-2010, 10:10 AM

Mindslaver was used in a nasty infinite lockdown deck that was quite effective in the Mirrodin era, as well as buying time for the Tooth and Nail archetype while Time Stop did see some use but it was more conditional. So one could argue it wins there. Besides, you control your opponent's next turn. It's madness!

Besides, someone can counter Time Stop with a spell that costs less too you know. Relatedly, once Mindslaver's ability is on the stack, there's very little you can do to stop it. A stifle-type ability will work, but it's impossible to destroy Mindslaver in response - it's already been sacrificed as part of its activation cost and an ability on the stack exists (mostly) independently of its source anyway.

But this is getting a little off topic.

So far Erfworld's 'end the turn' trick has had at least one drawback adressed - high cost. It's also at least a dual linkup and I'm hoping it'll turn out to be three. If the dual linkups are quite safe, surely someone would have known this trick already.

Honestly, it's not as impressive a trick as 'uncroak the volcano', although it does have a lot more utility.

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-26-2010, 11:20 AM

Not so high a magic cost as to prevent them still being able to turn a high level warlord. Turnamancers still op!

Geminex · 02-26-2010, 06:35 PM

Definetly. I'd hate to see what one's like with an Arkentool.

MFD · 02-26-2010, 10:44 PM

So, we have a warrior Arkenhammer that allows a warrior to do alot of cool warrior things. The Croakamancer Arkenpliers that super-uncroaks units. The Thinkamancer Arkendish that creates remote super links.

And a fourth, unknown Arkentool. Right?

02-24-2010, 10:01 PM	#101
01d55 Not 55 years old. Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,098	Charlie ex Machina Well look at that new update, proving my easy guesses totally right. Slately and Stanley have never even heard of this before; it's clearly outside the bounds even of linked Turnamancy and only Charlie can make it happen.

02-24-2010, 10:24 PM	#102
Wigmund Lakitu Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 2,139	I'm wondering who Jillian's gonna have turned. __________________ Slightly off-kilter

02-26-2010, 02:23 AM	#105
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	And just ending the turn is bullshit? There's a hojillion games that allow you to take an extra turn. Having it cut off the middle of the opponent's turn is the unexpected part. How about "you control your opponent's next turn" ? __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

02-26-2010, 10:10 AM	#107
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	Mindslaver was used in a nasty infinite lockdown deck that was quite effective in the Mirrodin era, as well as buying time for the Tooth and Nail archetype while Time Stop did see some use but it was more conditional. So one could argue it wins there. Besides, you control your opponent's next turn. It's madness! Besides, someone can counter Time Stop with a spell that costs less too you know. Relatedly, once Mindslaver's ability is on the stack, there's very little you can do to stop it. A stifle-type ability will work, but it's impossible to destroy Mindslaver in response - it's already been sacrificed as part of its activation cost and an ability on the stack exists (mostly) independently of its source anyway. But this is getting a little off topic. So far Erfworld's 'end the turn' trick has had at least one drawback adressed - high cost. It's also at least a dual linkup and I'm hoping it'll turn out to be three. If the dual linkups are quite safe, surely someone would have known this trick already. Honestly, it's not as impressive a trick as 'uncroak the volcano', although it does have a lot more utility. __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

02-26-2010, 10:44 PM	#110
MFD THWIP! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,626	So, we have a warrior Arkenhammer that allows a warrior to do alot of cool warrior things. The Croakamancer Arkenpliers that super-uncroaks units. The Thinkamancer Arkendish that creates remote super links. And a fourth, unknown Arkentool. Right? __________________ And The Lord did curse Caine for his sin, for by The Lord blood may only be repaid in sparkly glitter. - DFM 11:30

02-26-2010, 11:20 AM	#108
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Not so high a magic cost as to prevent them still being able to turn a high level warlord. Turnamancers still op!

02-26-2010, 06:35 PM	#109
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Definetly. I'd hate to see what one's like with an Arkentool.