FFD6: The Dicening: The Discussion: Uno, Dos, Tres, Quatro, Cinco, Cinco, Sies

[Overcast]

You want to be super best friends with everyone but you won't show them the trust to listen when half the group says to do something?

And it would have been metagaming because I knew, but Caspin didn't. What he did know though was that we had already stirred the nest, and so they were going to keep coming out if we lit it or not. There was literally no loss that would come from him torching the source of all the bees.

Also, Caspin doesn't think Docus saved his life. He thinks he got away because he ran like a little girl, Caspin respected him because he didn't immediately ostracize the guy like many people tend to. And that was pretty big to him, but when you disregaurd him on matters that not only he spoke up about, but other team members agreed with he feels betrayed.

I'll note again that he only cares about his cooking and anything tied to it hence Artisan. You even scratch him on those matters and he will immediately shun you. He hasn't had a good history of it, hence Outsider. There is nothing else to it.

[Geminex]

You want to be super best friends with everyone but you won't show them the trust to listen when half the group says to do something?

Okay, you have a point there. In my defense, Vera has the highest CHAR out of you three, and even that's not great. Plus, like I said: You three haven't made the best impression. If Prasad, or Fie had made the same request, Docus might have mumbled something along the lines of 'on your head' and done it, cause when they make the request, it seems a lot less likely that they have ulterior motives of any sort. He just trusts them more, by virtue of them not having been involved in teamkilling clusterfucks.

And it would have been metagaming because I knew, but Caspin didn't. What he did know though was that we had already stirred the nest, and so they were going to keep coming out if we lit it or not. There was literally no loss that would come from him torching the source of all the bees.

Well, they were coming out at a rate of, like, 2 every few seconds. What Docus (and I) were afraid of was that setting the tree on fire would make them come out much, much faster than that.

Besides, you're saying that Caspin didn't actually know? Huh. Then it wasn't even a question of disobeying the monster guy, or of questioning his expertise! It was a question of whether or not to take a risk. You guys wanted to, Docus didn't want to, cause he thought the risk was too great. Sure, 3 team members thought it didn't, and not complying was kind of a jackass thing to do...

But hey, we'll see how the whole thing turns out. With any luck he'll be able to win back Vera and Argath, especially if he manages to get Jade, Fie and Prasad on his side. As for Caspin... Docus is capable of humility. Maybe he'll give that a try.

[CelesJessa]

I certainly hope nobody actually(OOCly) cares that Docus didn't burn it. Hey, the queen bee will give us extra Exp or something!

(ICly) Vera's pissed because BEEES EVERYWHERE but I don't think she would hold a grudge about it, other than her normal bitchiness.

And for the record:

it seems a lot less likely that they have ulterior motives of any sort. He just trusts them more, by virtue of them not having been involved in teamkilling clusterfucks.

Vera has been nothing but trustworthy! 8D

[Geminex]

Vera has been nothing but trustworthy! 8D

: D
Oh course she ha-
Wait.
Where's my wallet?

As for caring OOCly, I don't really think so. Like I said, I'm just giving you all a valuable insight into the mind of the Tarut. And saying that I totally didn't fuck up and Docus should definitely not have to sacrifice his share of the reward.
Ovie's just elaborating on his character.

Edit:
Though after Krylo pratically inviting people to tear into Docus over this IC, you'll excuse me if I remain on the defensive a bit longer.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Though after Krylo pratically inviting people to tear into Docus over this IC, you'll excuse me if I remain on the defensive a bit longer.

And I still do!

But, yeah, that was probably a poor way to handle it, I just read your original post that read like you telling Overcast that he wasn't playing his character 'right', and attacked you in the same way without stopping to really think about what had ACTUALLY bothered me.

[Geminex]

Like I said, the Barb at Ovie wasn't entirely serious. And hey, if I wanna point out (seeming) inconsistencies in his character's behavior, why not?

And I still do!

: /
Y'know, the only reason people have any reason at all to be pissed at me is that you told them that, hey, guys, Gem's totally to blame for this one!

That's fine, I guess, if you want to punish me for deciding not to take a risk.

But should you, as DM, really be judging over characters? I mean, why not let the group itself decide, IC or OOC whether Docus really is to blame? When the DM takes sides and says that yes, my character is, in fact, at fault, that kinda stacks the deck against me.

Especially since I don't think what he did was unreasonable, or even worth punishing. Especially since none of them actually knew any more that Docus did. This was simply a question of taking a risk. Should we? Should we not? At that point in time, I still think 'we should not, despite what they say' was a valid course of action, both IC and OOC. Saying that it wasn't, and that he's been some sort of uncooperative asshole who doesn't deserve a reward (I'm paraphrasing here, but you know...) kinda stings.

Especially when you've said nothing of the sort against the team-killers, who've actually threatened each others' survival.

Edit:
If Docus really did something terrible, I'd be happy to hear about it! Cause I haven't been able to identify it so far.

And if you're really that pissed at my use of language, let that out on me! Not my character.

Edit2:
Okay, re-reading the last page, what was probably just trolling. But I totally warned you that I was on the defensive over here, so ima leave this post. At worst I'll emberass myself further. And I mean, drop in an ocean, right?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

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Haha. YEAH that was a joke.

And I don't expect them to not give you any reward. I expect them to be pissed at Docus and what not.

Though one minor point: Docus also took a risk by NOT burning the hive. It was a risk either way.

Also saying it was all your fault was kind of half joking as well. I mean, it's kinda true, because you're the only one who could have stopped it and half your team was telling you to, but as you said, you didn't know for sure what would happen.

I tried to drop a few hints here and there (like two royal guards coming out--why would royal guards come out?) But I didn't outright tell anyone who I didn't trust to keep quiet.

I don't think I even told OC? Maybe he heard it from someone else? Maybe I did and forgot?

Anyway, point being, Docus made a risk benefit analysis and he ended up being wrong. That's not really a good reason to punish him too harshly, but I would kind of expect a tongue thrashing.

ALSO: THERE IS A REWARD FOR KILLING THE EXTRA BOSS.

Just so you know it's not ALL bad. And also everyone else knows that, and hopefully gets less pissy about it.

[Geminex]

Well, I was aware that there was a risk either way. But the situation didn't really seem that desperate, y'know? We were fending off the bees allright.

Oh, tounge thrashing, sure. Conflict is fun, and it's easy to come out on top if you do it right.

But HANDS OFF MY GIL. That includes Vera.
It double includes her.

...

Okay, anyway, we can finish this IC. Now let's GET ON WITH IT.

Though about the whole 'arrogance conveyed via word choice', I'd appreciate some help correcting that. I mean, I don't want to be an accidental asshole. I'm smack-dab alongside being an intentional asshole, naturally.

Okay, now we can get on with it. Good to get the tension out of the air, I guess.

McTahr, does Fie already know that the Fresk is gonna bleed out soon? Cause if so, he should get there ASAP. Docus' fire, plus the weapons, should be enough to kill the Queen in a couple of rounds. And once Fie is done with the Fresk, he can keep casting, since the Fresk is in medium range of the hives.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

McTahr, does Fie already know that the Fresk is gonna bleed out soon?

Hahaha.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Haaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Edit: Speaking of, Tahr did mention he'd have Fie do that other healing roll this round, so I may as well tell him now so he can incorporate it all into one post.

[Geminex]

Krylo has no mother. He is Vile Starspawn, sent to break our minds and fill us with the Quasar's Darkness.

I rest my case.

Also, I need to reread the parts of this thread that are actually relevant.