So thunder Cats remake

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

This isn't about how space marines look (and for me it never has been, since they look fine design-wise - if you'd ever paid attention, my issue was always ridiculous hyper-masculine stereotyping), or even about how Tygra looks. Individually, everyone but Panthro looks fine, but together they're utterly, ridiculously inconsistent.

Cause, you know, people from different backgrounds who have different skills and likes tend to do things, like dress, differently.

I'm looking at the designs and saying "Jesus, did they just throw darts at a wall? What the fuck kind of committee designed this shit? How MANY committees designed this shit? Is this some sort of multiple-universe crossover? What the hell kind of story is going to support all this? These guys are all extremely boiled down to very base marketable tropes and those tropes are based purely on aspects of their combat abilities without any regard to personality traits or non-combat abilities!"

I know, man, they're all, Like, distinct from each other so you can tell them apart and glean some aspect of their skills/personalities/history and stuff. They should all be distinguished purely by the color/pattern of their spandex and their faces/hairstyles.

And specifically on Panthro's design, he already started out with something roughly akin to ninja booties to go along with those chucks. I could see them taking him into samurai territory. What I can't see is why they decided to make him an unkempt, balding half-barbarian samurai who looks about as capable of inventing advanced technology as I look of throwing a truck. They can do the whole "looks are deceiving" thing, but that really only works once and then you're left with a guy who's obviously been a military grunt his whole life incongruously being a genius scientist. The reason it works for Beast is because Beast isn't covered in massive scars because he actually spent his life doing scientific work.

Or, you know, he's a mechanic, he's good with machines, he creates mechanical devices, so, he's a big, blue-collar type of guy, then. when he busts up some ass, no incongruity there, he just lifted that engine block into that tank, then threw it at somebody.

I could handle the balding and horrid mutton chops and frankly pretty much everything else if they'd left out the scars. The reason I take issue with Panthro is because they took a guy, a respectable guy, who was a genius inventor, and gave him the design of a common grunt.

I am sure all the mechanics, large people, and smart people of the world thank you for your insult.

Again, this isn't about a modern look so much as it is that they should PICK a modern look. I fully expected changes when I heard about this ages ago and accepted they'd happen. The new He-Man made some pretty significant changes to the style and I personally liked the remake. But those changes were internally consistent.

Well, yeah, they all had furry bits, I guess.

The first part of this I agree with, but on the second part, they seem to be taking several things to the extreme. Tygra could always cloak, but they took him to a technological extreme. Lion-o has his sword and gauntlet and they took him to a Medieval extreme. Cheetara has odd abilities and was fast and suddenly she's some Amazon or something. Panthro had some martial arts going and they took him to a samurai extreme, in the process ignoring another, very integral, part of his character.

Spandex, again, then? I mean, I love super-heroes, but Thunder-cats wasn't a Super-hero show, it was a fantasy with some sci-fi action/adventure show. Maybe they could dress their parts instead of Spider-man's part.

This is not tropes being used responsibly. This is tropes being used with all the grace, subtlety, and finesse of a drunk elephant smashing a watermelon with a Mario mallet. This isn't a team that looks like they come from the same setting, much less like one that wouldn't suffer extreme divisions. If the royal house is medieval and the common military is feudal, Panthro is going to be tied to Lion-o by the tendrils of his soul. If the military is feudal and special ops are futuristic, two branches of the armed forces are going to be handled irreconcilably differently and the people in them aren't going to understand or probably even like each other in the least. If special ops is futuristic and the castle is medieval, Tygra is going to feel that all the castle decorum is soft and backwards. And what the hell is Cheetara? A peasant? A street thief? Some amazon tribe cut off from the civility of the modern world? She's not liable to understand a thing about anyone else.

This is just silly. I hope you never, ever play any JRPGs or party-based games, like, EVER.

Assembling a team of these people, judging things based entirely on appearance at the moment, is like sticking a mongoose as the leader of a cobra, an eagle, and a coyote, then locking them all in a cardboard box to "LET'S WORK TOGETHER, GUYS! 8D" If these people had a whit of something in common, why are they all dressed so differently? People with things in common share common aspects, like social class, or interests, which manifest in their appearance.

Blues, is this you?

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Premmy

This is just silly. I hope you never, ever play any JRPGs or party-based games, like, EVER.

Man, Vanille and Fang's character designs totally don't match Lightning's or Hope's. And what's Snow supposed to be, some sort of surfer dude? WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING???

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I was more intriguied by the medieval King/Lord comparision. Cause medieval kings ruled fuck all and the lords pretty much did what they wanted and the king really only ruled by consent. There was no centralised power mechanicisms and the kings power and wealth came pretty much from his own lands. Military expeditions were basically- go beg some lords to help you out and raise an army for them.
Like absolute fuck would a lord wear the colours of his king. That would be admittnig you had no power of your own, only his direct staff would wear his colorus, much as the lords military units would wear the lord's colours not the kings.
So actually, if its a feudal kind of thing- it makes sense. It wouldn't make sense for them to be dressed the same, unless Lion-O is say the king and the other dudes are like common grunts - they wouldn't really be inchamber advisors cause then the vassal states would be like "Yo, you got to listen to us too".

[Aerozord]

Personally the art style that always got me most was Naruto because it made no practical sense, ignoring a ninja wearing fluorescent orange, why in the same climate do you see one character in shorts and a t-shirt, and another in a heavy fur coat?

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I was more intriguied by the medieval King/Lord comparision. Cause medieval kings ruled fuck all and the lords pretty much did what they wanted and the king really only ruled by consent.

isn't this all government though? I mean whatever ruler is in charge is still just one guy whose "power" is really just assumed. This is actually one of the reasons they had lords of equal standing. Each lord figured if they attempted to take kings position others would stop him, if they dont well no reason they cant do the same, then a domino effect as a series of battles until its a unified whole simply because you are the only one left, or variations

Never looked it up but I'm betting thats how most feudal eras ended, mergers and conquests until one remained.

My point is, all rulers rely on their military and government officials simply accepting they are in charge, one of the reasons they do accept this is because they atleast believe most others do and they will be shot down if they disobey. Revolution is when people try and test this assumption

[Gregness]

Naruto wearing orange never bothered me actually. I mean, what does it matter what you're wearing if you can just magically transform into damn near anything if you need to?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

Personally the art style that always got me most was Naruto because it made no practical sense, ignoring a ninja wearing fluorescent orange, why in the same climate do you see one character in shorts and a t-shirt, and another in a heavy fur coat?


isn't this all government though? I mean whatever ruler is in charge is still just one guy whose "power" is really just assumed. This is actually one of the reasons they had lords of equal standing. Each lord figured if they attempted to take kings position others would stop him, if they dont well no reason they cant do the same, then a domino effect as a series of battles until its a unified whole simply because you are the only one left, or variations

Never looked it up but I'm betting thats how most feudal eras ended, mergers and conquests until one remained.

My point is, all rulers rely on their military and government officials simply accepting they are in charge, one of the reasons they do accept this is because they atleast believe most others do and they will be shot down if they disobey. Revolution is when people try and test this assumption

It's a lot easier to have centralised power these days, however, when everything in the world is basically instantly accessible. If your vassal is like 10 days ride away, you're not going to keep that close an eye on him.
Feudalism basically ended, though the point of when and where and how is ended is arguable, because of the rise of money, industry, merchants, the middle class. Feudalism relied on control of farmlands and once this didn''t become as valuable they lost a lot of their power.
Feudalism was not even really "accept this guy in charge" more "helping this guy suits my interests but the moment it doesn't I will fuck him so hard".

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Gregness

For those of you who don't remember that G1 optimus was the fucking man

I should point out that when I said the G1 cartoon was terrible, I meant the G1 cartoon itself. The movie is awesome no matter what people say.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Man, Vanille and Fang's character designs totally don't match Lightning's or Hope's. And what's Snow supposed to be, some sort of surfer dude? WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING???

You know that doesn't hold any water. For starters, all the people from Cocoon have design similarities in their outfits that makes it clear they're from the same culture. The cut of the clothing is all in the same range, with consistently large collars and lapels, gloves all suited to their jobs and weaponry, and all four are wearing boots with similar design specs between them. Sazh and Lightning share a pauldron on one shoulder. All four wear a jacket.

These similarities suggest fashion trends in their society. I could continue with the inspirations for Vanille and Fang's outfits, but I think I've made my point.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Man, Vanille and Fang's character designs totally don't match Lightning's or Hope's. And what's Snow supposed to be, some sort of surfer dude? WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING???

Risible suggestions according to noncon: that the characters of FF13 look like they were designed by someone on drugs

[Fifthfiend]

BRB guys, I have to go buy half a skirt.