[DISCUSS] Gaston is better than the Beast

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Amake

It's also worth mentioning many of the old fables weren't built around "morals" so much as "let's scare the crap out of our children, ohoho". Not that I mind such classics as "Don't be kidnapped by a monster, even if it is an enchanted prince", "Don't throw out your magic beans and then climb on the giant beanstalks to the clouds and screw with the giants who live there", "Don't have a baby-eatingly evil stepmother", "Don't follow the enchanting naked violin player into the river" and of course the ever-popular "Don't be an orphan".

they do still often work as advisory tales. The ones that seem sillier are often "beware the fae", which to the people of the time were very real creatures to worry about. Heck most can be summarized as, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

[Archbio]

they do still often work as advisory tales.

The Pied Piper of Hamelin, as a fairytale, is totes about the moral of not going back on a deal when it becomes advantageous because someone who can help you can also jack you up.

Looking it up on Wikipedia to refresh my memory of it, I see that it seems to have been based on a real (if forgotten) story of Hamelin. Creepy.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Yes, one where entire planets with no weapons could be blown up at a moments notice due to vauge asscociations with a single individual accused and sentenced of crimes without any kind of trial. Real progresive that!

That's like burning down an entire town in any modern day first world country because you suspect 1 person who moved to that town 10 years ago is a spy.

the only person who says it is unarmed is a critical member of the rebel alliance. like she is goig to tell you where all the rebel weapons are stashed. Probably on the places she says have no weapons. She told them a rebel base out in the middle of nowhere like if you capture Osama Bin Laden and he's like "all our weapons are stashed in Antarcatica, clearly not in Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan" probably not a good plan to believe him.

Also their senator/princess is a high rakig member of the rebel alliance. Let's say that David Cameron declares war on the US tommorow and he isn't deposed by Britain/ Would you consider Britain to be at war with you? You can't play both sides Alderaan.

And ike the rebels blew up two planet sized objects packed full of like medics and costruction staff and admin officers and like dudes growing some food and maybe some blind orphans. that's how dudes roll in star wars. Neither side comes off as good in thewhomurders innocent people stakes.
And like apparentely the empire collapses when you murder the emperor. You didn't need to blow up the deathstars. the emperor is pretty easy to murder.

the jedi were racist little fucks, if your blood wasn't good enough you have no chance of advancement. The republic operated on slave labour and folowig millenia old outdated religious bigotry. Fuck the rebels, fuckthe republic.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

the jedi were racist little fucks, if your blood wasn't good enough you have no chance of advancement. The republic operated on slave labour and folowig millenia old outdated religious bigotry. Fuck the rebels, fuckthe republic.

Man I know you're just trolling, but like, the rest of that was all technically accurate while this is not. The Jedi never gave a shit about blood or whatever, and the Republic didn't use Slave Labour. Both of those things are imperial/sith doings and were illegal in Republic space until the Emperor overthrew the government.

[Fifthfiend]

It's somewhat accurate in that he was talking about the jedi, who were totally all about people's magic blood, and "slave labor" fits if you count droids, which basically nobody had a problem treating as property in spite of their clear capacity for sentience and emotion.

Of course in the stories the jedi's blood-caste system is portrayed as being necessary and intrinsic to learning the ways and abilities of their order, but then, every essentialist hierarchy portrays themselves that way.

But really the racism is kind of a secondary issue compared with their overall religious extremism.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

It's somewhat accurate in that he was talking about the jedi, who were totally all about people's magic blood, and "slave labor" fits if you count droids, which basically nobody had a problem treating as property in spite of their clear capacity for sentience and emotion.

capacity isn't the same as actually having it. Droids are supposed to be routinely wiped so that they do not accumulate enough experience to develop things like emotions or personality.

Like you know that one episode of futurama where they remove all of benders memories and he became a simple bending drone? Like that.

[Kim]

Haha that honestly makes it even worse.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

It's somewhat accurate in that he was talking about the jedi, who were totally all about people's magic blood

But they didn't actually stop anyone from advancing based on it. Being super strong in the force and having all the midichlorians wasn't a necessity to being on the jedi council, nor was it particularly helpful in doing so (much to Anakin's chagrin). It was great if you just wanted to be the best MDK machine at Jedi High, but not really useful for much else advancement wise.

Edit: The Sith Empire was pretty much the exact opposite in that, yeah they only really cared about raw force potential and how they could use that to make you the best weapon and the best weapons got to be the most politically powerful guys as well. The Jedi were more about state of mind and wisdom through overcoming trials.

and "slave labor" fits if you count droids, which basically nobody had a problem treating as property in spite of their clear capacity for sentience and emotion.

To be fair jedi are the only people we ever really see allowing droids to develop emotions and/or treating them like equal or semi-equal sentient beings.

[Fifthfiend]

Jedi: the Thomas Jeffersons of Droid oppression.

[Locke cole]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

capacity isn't the same as actually having it. Droids are supposed to be routinely wiped so that they do not accumulate enough experience to develop things like emotions or personality.

Like you know that one episode of futurama where they remove all of benders memories and he became a simple bending drone? Like that.

Oh yes, I remember that in this one book set before Episode 1. This dude had a droid companion that had developed a personality, and they were friends. And right before the dude got himself slaughtered by Darth Maul, he sent the droid to deliver some vital intel (Death Star plans or something) to the Senate or the Jedi or something.

Then another dude mind-wipes the droid because it's easier to resell it that way.

And the other dude manages to live just long enough after being attacked by Maul to give a high-ranking Senator the information that there's a Sith lord out and about. Specifically, he manages to tell Senator Palpatine.

The book didn't exactly have a happy ending, you see.

As for blood purity: just another reason why Midichlorians are a kinda sucky plot point. Though in this case, it's less something dumb like blood purity in Harry Potter, and more something like muscle mass.