471: And then I died - Page 11

10-17-2004, 08:10 AM

Shiney, you bring up some good points. However, the changes the characters have undergone so far are quite minute in relation to the thought of Fighter actually becoming competent. Theif still likes to steal and run away, RM is still obsessed with stats, WM is still a traditional goody-goody with a hatred for BM, and Fighter is still the dumb one with a reverance for BM. And we're nearly halfway through the FF1 storyline. It's simply not plausible that any one character would undergo enough change to gain enough intelligence to be the Red Speaker.

Edit; Uhh... I think I accidentally reported someone's post while trying to press the next page link. I didn't intend it, so please don't ban me for frivolous reporting.

Wetflame · 10-17-2004, 08:14 AM

So who is the red speaker then?

Skyshot · 10-17-2004, 08:26 AM

I personally always thought that the red speaker was someone omnipotent, i.e., Fate, Chronocops, Sarda the Red-Robed One, etc. "Why did you do it like that?" "We thought it'd be funny." That indicates a mortal speaking to an omnipotent to me.

Brian has stated in the official thread for #434 that we'll have to wait a LONG time for the answer, and it's only been several months. I can't help but think that Gurgu plays a role only in the blood panel, and the rest refers to something else.

Wetflame · 10-17-2004, 08:40 AM

Yes, I did consider it could be Sarda, or a god.

Also, I wonder if we'll ever see Summons in 8 Bit? I thought Brian hated them, but thinking back, it was only the long drawn out 5 minute long seqeuences, rather than the FF4/5/6 ones.

Maybe BM, in fact, has Chaos as his summon.

mammothtank · 10-17-2004, 09:07 AM

My first post!

Here's a theory. If the yellow speaker is BM, then the red speaker is WM, but the conversation is occuring after the "final battle" as opposed to before it. Since the yellow speaker (i.e. BM) is looking back at his life, it is reasonable to assume that WM managed to beat him, and is discussing fate with him before he dies.

talse · 10-17-2004, 11:37 AM

we know for a fact that there is indeed a corpse or corpse-to-be at :wmage: feet. i think it's one of the companions. but, if we're going into the whole time travel deal like wetflame said, then it is quite likely that it's :bbelt: who is a corpse. because then :bmage: gets beaten somehow by :wmage:, and then white mage, red mage, thief and fighter go back in time to try and fix how black mage really F'ed up the world.

Skyshot · 10-17-2004, 11:38 AM

One problem I'm seeing in these theories is people assume that the "Why did you do it like that?" line refers to something that has already happened. They haven't left Gurgu yet, people.

Actually, one confusing part of that was it seemed to be set in the future, what with the above-quoted line, but then we see Black Mage plastered to the ex-DeathTrap in the present. Clearly, Brian wants us to be clueless.

Chances are, the answer is something nobody has come up with yet, and never will come up with. In that case, all we do is speculate while Brian sits at his computer and laughs his head off at how wrong we are. Then he fuels that spite into his comics with more confusing stuff.

Anyways, isn't this the episode 471 thread? Talk about BB's philosophy in this one and bump the 434 one if possible.

Loyal · 10-17-2004, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetflame

If BB dies, and BM becomes Chaos, who would be left? Red Mage, Fighter, Thief and White Mage.

Who are the "real" Light Warriors?

Red Wizard, Knight, Ninja and White Wizard.

I always *Wondered* why he chose those 4, and had White Wizard instead of Black Wizard.

Well, I've laid down my weapons and surrendered with that. That has convinced me that BM may very well take Garland's place as Chaos.

And now to see Brian's response to it (If any).

Wetflame · 10-17-2004, 12:38 PM

I really hope I didn't spoil it now. Although, even if I have, there's going to be another incredible plot twist straight after that, so me predicting correctly will only give you a false sense of security =P

BM being Chaos is almost a little obvious, since Chaos was shown in his "character's mind" comic, so I'm guessing this is true.

Problem with Time Travel is that it opens up the doorway for just about anything to happen...

Such as this =P http://www.nuklearforums.com/showth...?t=6595&page=2

Bells · 10-17-2004, 12:58 PM

Who is the Red Speaker? Simply! Wait untill the flash version of that episode is realeased and hear it out u_u.... (well... you could...)

He... i dont belive that brian would make THAT easy... so, BM is Chaos, because the True LW dont have a Black WIzard with then? C'mon....

anyway... Brian Did make some observations crossing the ways that 8BT and His book wore written... so... maybe one can give clues about the other in a mather of comparing "developing curves" of the story.... well... if you read then both, you know what im saying now....... ( dont Spoil Dont Spoil Dont Spoil.... )

Remember, even knowing all fo this, this far, we all know a LOT of BM and Fighters young age and life, on the form of flash backs who wore given to us along the way, but there wasnt that much info displayed for the others (Thief would be a small exception since his "story arch" is kinda of conclued after his father was healed ) maybe now is the chance do get deeper on how WM and BB started together, their lives before all of this...

the true questions warent answered yet...
What is Fighters destiny? Why did his master toss him out of Fighters Camp'86 when he answered the last question ( wich would be the right answer apparently )

Isnt RM getting a little... set aside on all this? he is the character with less development until now... more of a "comedy sidekick" up to this point...

What will happend to WM now? how is this affecting her? After all... she kinda did... send BB to his doom.... and she is the most emotional character

With ALL os this happening, WERE could thief be now?!

And off course... would it be a little too obvious that BM becomes their last enemy? i dont think thats the way to go here...
And on a side note... if WM gets depressed with blame ( Evangelion Style... ) would BM try to confort her?

i really think that THOSE are better questions to hope for answers

10-17-2004, 08:10 AM	#101
swifters Guest Posts: n/a	Shiney, you bring up some good points. However, the changes the characters have undergone so far are quite minute in relation to the thought of Fighter actually becoming competent. Theif still likes to steal and run away, RM is still obsessed with stats, WM is still a traditional goody-goody with a hatred for BM, and Fighter is still the dumb one with a reverance for BM. And we're nearly halfway through the FF1 storyline. It's simply not plausible that any one character would undergo enough change to gain enough intelligence to be the Red Speaker. Edit; Uhh... I think I accidentally reported someone's post while trying to press the next page link. I didn't intend it, so please don't ban me for frivolous reporting. Last edited by swifters; 10-17-2004 at 08:25 AM.

10-17-2004, 12:38 PM	#109
Wetflame Boo Buddy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 651	I really hope I didn't spoil it now. Although, even if I have, there's going to be another incredible plot twist straight after that, so me predicting correctly will only give you a false sense of security =P BM being Chaos is almost a little obvious, since Chaos was shown in his "character's mind" comic, so I'm guessing this is true. Problem with Time Travel is that it opens up the doorway for just about anything to happen... Such as this =P http://www.nuklearforums.com/showth...?t=6595&page=2 Last edited by Wetflame; 10-17-2004 at 12:41 PM.

10-17-2004, 12:58 PM	#110
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Who is the Red Speaker? Simply! Wait untill the flash version of that episode is realeased and hear it out u_u.... (well... you could...) He... i dont belive that brian would make THAT easy... so, BM is Chaos, because the True LW dont have a Black WIzard with then? C'mon.... anyway... Brian Did make some observations crossing the ways that 8BT and His book wore written... so... maybe one can give clues about the other in a mather of comparing "developing curves" of the story.... well... if you read then both, you know what im saying now....... ( dont Spoil Dont Spoil Dont Spoil.... ) Remember, even knowing all fo this, this far, we all know a LOT of BM and Fighters young age and life, on the form of flash backs who wore given to us along the way, but there wasnt that much info displayed for the others (Thief would be a small exception since his "story arch" is kinda of conclued after his father was healed ) maybe now is the chance do get deeper on how WM and BB started together, their lives before all of this... the true questions warent answered yet... What is Fighters destiny? Why did his master toss him out of Fighters Camp'86 when he answered the last question ( wich would be the right answer apparently ) Isnt RM getting a little... set aside on all this? he is the character with less development until now... more of a "comedy sidekick" up to this point... What will happend to WM now? how is this affecting her? After all... she kinda did... send BB to his doom.... and she is the most emotional character With ALL os this happening, WERE could thief be now?! And off course... would it be a little too obvious that BM becomes their last enemy? i dont think thats the way to go here... And on a side note... if WM gets depressed with blame ( Evangelion Style... ) would BM try to confort her? i really think that THOSE are better questions to hope for answers __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

10-17-2004, 08:14 AM	#102
Wetflame Boo Buddy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 651	So who is the red speaker then?

10-17-2004, 08:40 AM	#104
Wetflame Boo Buddy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 651	Yes, I did consider it could be Sarda, or a god. Also, I wonder if we'll ever see Summons in 8 Bit? I thought Brian hated them, but thinking back, it was only the long drawn out 5 minute long seqeuences, rather than the FF4/5/6 ones. Maybe BM, in fact, has Chaos as his summon.

10-17-2004, 09:07 AM	#105
mammothtank We make good team! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: kicks Iowa Posts: 1,722	My first post! Here's a theory. If the yellow speaker is BM, then the red speaker is WM, but the conversation is occuring after the "final battle" as opposed to before it. Since the yellow speaker (i.e. BM) is looking back at his life, it is reasonable to assume that WM managed to beat him, and is discussing fate with him before he dies.

10-17-2004, 11:37 AM	#106
talse Moonshiner Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Iowa City, Iowa, about 4 hours west of Chicago Posts: 267	we know for a fact that there is indeed a corpse or corpse-to-be at :wmage: feet. i think it's one of the companions. but, if we're going into the whole time travel deal like wetflame said, then it is quite likely that it's :bbelt: who is a corpse. because then :bmage: gets beaten somehow by :wmage:, and then white mage, red mage, thief and fighter go back in time to try and fix how black mage really F'ed up the world.