Hatland Mafia

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

RPGDemon- Very active against Fenris

He is? According to what happened, he seems to have debated with Snake and ignored me completely as far as I could tell.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by BahamutFlare

We could hypothesize what kind of low type roles Karesh could have? Vanilla town or mafia could always be an explanation.

While most of us have been trying to find leads, Shyria went a bit off topic with the (random?) for P-Sleazy. Although, she/he could very well have just not caught up with the entire topic yet. A bit hasty. P-Sleazy has been getting hit by a good amount random votes too at times spaced apart. Possible bandwagon attempt?

I think to the lavatory comment was directed at me since I was encouraged to look at D1 of MLP Mafia. In which people read in the bathroom.

Weeeelll, I'll just come out and say that when I said lacking in concrete power, what I meant was that I'm not able to kill people on a whim.

I don't want to say anything else pertaining to my role as it's so early and hey you never know who's listening, but that's the top and bottom of it.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Actually I will say one more thing and that's that I really would like to be able to kill people on a whim.
Soooo, to whoever's running the next mafia: Please?
Please?

[Solid Snake]

Love or hate my playing style, I don't particularly care, but I can't think of any better compliment than the fact that I'm still the #1 topic of conversation after a day's worth of not being present. Can you really say some of the inactives and joke posters are 'better players' or more valued pro-town advocates for shitting the breeze and refusing to give a damn? I think not.

Originally Posted by Gregness

Guys, this whole "snake is writing too much and I have to reeeaaaad it" whining is incredibly pointless.

Oh, no. It's fine because after I flip (and let's face it, Snake is never going to last long in a Mafia game as Town, and I often make decisions under that assumption) you're going to see that I'm Town and the minute I do, everyone who suspects me for bullshit reasons that do not require reasoning beyond "I'm too lazy to read the shit that he writes" should raise serious red flags with you.

This is differnet from the last game where while he did ramble a lot and wasn't concise but his posts were all pretty high information.

This is an astute point and one legitimate criticism of my playstyle this game, but it's a logical consequence of me joining the D1 discussion much sooner than I had last game. In MLP Mafia I wasn't present in NPF long enough to have only come back when a lynch train had already started on you (Smarty), and that basically gave me ammunition to legitimately badger everyone about how stupid that was. This game I've been active since the beginning and the first legitimate lynch train appears to have started against me, so noting something like "Snake seems much more defensive this time around!" isn't exactly the epiphany you believe it to be.

Anyway, I won't delightfully shout "TRAPPED!" this time, because apparently many of you seem to dislike that, but instead I'll just attempt to more calmly note that sometimes the benefit of being Town and acting controversial enough to try to get a lynch train started against you is the knowledge that Scum, assuming you might seriously be lynched, will try to make themselves look good by expressing "minor reservations" about lynching someone they know isn't on their Scumteam.

Thus, I'll FOS: Geminex for simultaneously mentioning that he'd be open to the possibility of "policy lynching" me while expressing that "Snake may just be being Snake," which is basically a classic scum hedge intended to make him sound reasonable after I flip.

I feel more confident about Smarty at this juncture despite a similar hedge because his logic against lynching me D1 due to my activity is actually a comparatively reasonably pro-Town justification to hedge there despite his doubts.

Also, FOS: Ravashak for merely agreeing with previous points made by Geminex and Gregness, reiterating Gregness' point without adding any insight or merit to it, and then attempting to passively encourage we take a hard look at three inactives.

In related news, Fenris' largely fluff posting reminds me of his early-day fluff posting strategy as Scum in Homestuck Mafia, but I don't feel confident enough to FOS him just yet, and of course the verifiable horde of Snake critics, particularly compared to last game, is certainly intriguing. I have a theory, but I'll sit on it.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Quick post before bed re Fenris, Gem (I only skimmed most of your post)_
First I meant RPG against Snake not Fenris. I was thinking about Fenris which leads me to my next point-
Fenris- I had noticed that he is clearly following the thread (responding straight away to Moogle claims and to Aldurin hitagainst snake and to Greeds edit post) but wasn't dropping anything really proper posts. While this was his tactic as scum in the other game I felt he could be town power too and was tryin to keep out of the firing line day 1 as a big name poster who would be a reasonably big scum tactic and was going to sit on that theory. It's out now though so fenris thoughts would be good.

Gem I've got no real vibes off, mostly because he's been going the same route as me on most issues. That could be a good scum strategy- just follow a reasonably prolific poster who is going to attack people who you know is not in your scum and will take all the heat and the attention for you decisions. But then it could also be that he comes to same conclusion as me with both of us town. I got no major scum vibes of him yet, I'm putting him in the clean drawer fornow.

Now to bed and oblivion.

[Kerensky287]

At first I was tempted to leave my vote for Snake, but...

Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

Also, Aldurin's post early on about being vanilla seems a bit off to me because I'd expect a GM to be more impartial than that. As in: assigns roles completely at random. If thats really what bookie sent him, than it would certainly be unorthodox.

I looked over that post again, and you're right. There IS something off about it.

Originally Posted by Aldurin

You're lucky though, it sounds like you didn't get your role described as "make your vote, sit the fuck down and don't ruin any shit".

Being a vanilla makes the game seem less exciting, but getting it because of my bad track record with power roles is a low blow.

Bookworm, you're an asshole.

I find it odd that you'd get a personalized Vanilla Townie PM. Bookie's a nice enough guy, and I wouldn't expect that sort of stuff out of him. Yes, you're new, and yes, you made a legendary screwup in the Pony mafia, but that's not a good enough reason for him to either a) reroll your role or b) arbitrarily assign you vanilla townie.

If he DID give out roles intentionally, then I am very upset because I wanted Vig. Come on, Bookie! I thought we were friends.

TL;DR, I don't believe Aldurin is a vanilla townie, and if he was town-aligned, he wouldn't have any reason to start flapping his gums about "HAR HAR GOOD THING I DON'T HAVE A ROLE, RIGHT GUYS"

Unvote: Solid Snake

Vote: Aldurin

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Anyway, I won't delightfully shout "TRAPPED!" this time, because apparently many of you seem to dislike that

I admit that part of the reason I voted for you was the fact that I hate people who pretend to have foresight by setting up a "gut" prediction that accounts for all possibilities.

Prediction is correct: "See? I totally called it!"

Prediction is incorrect: "You fell right into my trap!"

It's all well and good to attempt to call a person's role and behavior early on, but you can't legitimately claim any accuracy when you flip-flop between it being a trap and it being a legit prediction. You want to start a lynch against somebody, give us a good reason. None of this "If he's quiet, he's mafia! If he's overconfident, he isn't town!" bullcrap.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Shyria

##VOTE: P-sleazy

Cmon, it's in his name. Clearly he cannot be trusted. And just what was he doing in that lavatory? Conspiring with his mafia overlords?

I mean...I'm pretty sleazy when it comes to nationality. I was born in Italy, got Canadian citizenship when I was 6, got my polish citizenship when i was 3. Got my American Citizenship today (True story). And now I'm biding my time till it comes time to get my Italian citizenship. Totally vote for me cause of that. Thats legit.

[Moogle0119]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

inactives- too early to tell. One to watch out for is Moogle- from old school games I remember him using UTR mafia tactics a lot and being reasonable active when town.

The game hasn't even been going for a full 24 hours yet and already people are listing out "inactives". C'mon! I would've posted even sooner today if I didn't have to waste 20 mins looking on the interwebs for what "UTR mafia tactics" were (never heard the term before).

Fenris is right though, my activity these days will be much more limited due to work actually expecting us to do work at work (the nerve of them!), but I will do my best to keep up with reading the thread while at work and posting when I get a chance. Of course I entirely meant to last game, but with the amount of conversation swirling around Snake, Nikose and others (mostly Snake though and his walls of pink text), trying the catch up on the thread and post something relevant and helpful instead becomes hours of just trying to read and keep up to date with the accusations through dozens of pages while still on Day 1. Regardless, I did understand WHY Snake was doing what he was doing and actually was thankful for it (for rooting up more information on all players), but at the same time it does have it's drawbacks (not many people are just going to start posting without at least reading up to the current posts first).

As far as this game goes, Snake's tone is definitely different this time around, but we can sit here and analyze this crap for days and in the end it's all one big WIFOM situation as to whether he's changed his posting habits or it's remained the same (or any player for that matter) and can be argued pro-town or pro-scum either way.

I'm going to hold off on placing a vote on anyone yet since it's still early on Day 1 and we still have just over 72 hours to decide on a course of action.

[Moogle0119]

P.S.

Vote: P-Sleazy

Because he's legit (and to enjoy old mafia Day 1 habits once again). Yes this IS a joke vote and it will not stay if a serious bandwagon starts on him.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Kerensky287

I find it odd that you'd get a personalized Vanilla Townie PM. Bookie's a nice enough guy, and I wouldn't expect that sort of stuff out of him. Yes, you're new, and yes, you made a legendary screwup in the Pony mafia, but that's not a good enough reason for him to either a) reroll your role or b) arbitrarily assign you vanilla townie.

I feel a certain level of responsibility for it so I'm going to make sure we're clear here cause I read Aldurin's posts as a response to my comments, which was a joking begrudging of my given role.
I...kinda thought Aldurin was joking about the idea that Bookie gave him a role purposely too. Unless he clarifies otherwise that's how I see it.

Originally Posted by Moogle0119

The game hasn't even been going for a full 24 hours yet and already people are listing out "inactives". C'mon! I would've posted even sooner today if I didn't have to waste 20 mins looking on the interwebs for what "UTR mafia tactics" were (never heard the term before).

Yeah, really. The game's barely started and I know that if it'd started another day of this week I wouldn't have been able to post either so lets at least give people a bit of a chance before we start lynching them off.