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[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Ecks

Well gollee gee willickers IC, I'd love to see your reasoning on why I'm scum. You pretty much just threw my vote up there and said "hee hee this guy is scum, and I have a list of other people and who they are too, just trust me on this one guys!"

FoS: Inbred Chocobo

Also, did I ever admit to being the roleblocker? No, that was a suggestion by Nikose that I chose to leave alone rather than confirm or deny. Therefore I will up and admit that no, I am not a roleblocker.

Anyway, @BF: I agree the numbers don't make sense, and the night result post seriously had me worried, because I figured IHMN for scum. Now all I'm left with are the few of us who are active, and I believe your claim and Nikose's, confirming you two as town unless someone counterclaims (which I don't forsee happening at this point). Again, Sif is looking set up at the moment but I'm still a tad suspcious.

That leaves inactives, which plays to my prejudices but again, I'm trying to be fair here. I fingered Greg and Moogle specifically because they have only posted once each, early on day one, and neither have been heard from since.

Then there's mister IC up there waving his big fancy theory in my face, which I'm going to just laugh at, seriously IC back that shit up please.

I also haven't seen any posts from Fenris or Vauron... and Vauron has me curious, because he flipped his vote onto Nikose but didn't detail a reason why. Could be he felt there was reason enough already outlined by earlier posts but then why not at least say that much?

Alright sure, lets back some shit up.

1) Ecks - Active posting, wanting to help, pushing for thoughts and generally trying to appear helpful. Eagerness to get on people's goodside makes me think he has a role he wants to prove himself in, and I think its a scum role.

2) Fenris - Roleblocker. I can't confirm 100% that he is town, but considering his target last night was rpgdemon, which at that night when blocked was someone you couldn't peg either way. If he was scum, he would've hit Nikose.

3) Nikose - Bodyguard. His claims have evidence in night posts, and no one has tried to dispute it.

4) Moogle - His inactivity is a wee bit more inactive than normal for him. He either has other duties, doesn't know what to think, or isn't really interested in this game. I peg him Vanilla Townie.

5) Inbred Chocobo - I have the ability on Night 0 to pick one person and gain that ability as well. I picked Fenris since I can never get a read on that guy, and became the second Roleblocker

6) BahamutFlare - He is either some kind of Police Officer or a unique role, but he is town.

7) Gregness - You can see Moogle's reading on him.

8) Vauron - New guy, I feel like it doesn't really matter what role this guy has, he would've gone inactive. Wild card here

9) Sifright - Some people think he was framed. I honestly don't think the kills this night were done in reference to anything the posts made, just people picking targets almost randomly, maybe some preference. I have a feeling IHMN's was one of those preference targets, and I see Sifright making that decision. Betting scum here

10) Geminex - He pushed a bit for Nikose at the beginning, and almost lead a lynch on him. I am rather sure Nikose is town so that makes Geminex look really bad.


So my list is this

1) Ecks
2) Sifright
3) Geminex
4) Vauron
5) Moogle
6) Gregness

This is ordered based on the likely hood of them appearing scum. I'm up for re-arranging the first three in the list, but I think the first three need to stay the first three. I think the SK is also included in one of the top, and I believe we have a Vigilante in one of the 3 bottom listed there. (My bet is that its Gregness, but I am not sure). Roleclaims would look nice Ecks if you don't mind, along with Sifright and Geminex, as its curious what you 3's roles actually are.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Some additional Information: Considering that we had a Detective and a Watcher revealed, it is possible that Detective is being used as a different name for a police office. This changes BahamutFlare to a unique role only. Nothing else still changes though.

[Ecks]

So... being a good mafia player (or wanting to be) makes me scum? Wow maybe I should just quit posting, act like a jerkass and be deliberately unhelpful. Doesn't quite make sense, IC. But you're entitled to your suspicions I guess, and hey at least you're encouraging discussion.

As far as claiming a role is concerned, it's not going to change your mind one bit, so here goes: Vanilla, Mafia-aligned.

If I'm being overly active and helpful, IC... it's because that's all I can do.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Ecks

So... being a good mafia player (or wanting to be) makes me scum? Wow maybe I should just quit posting, act like a jerkass and be deliberately unhelpful. Doesn't quite make sense, IC. But you're entitled to your suspicions I guess, and hey at least you're encouraging discussion.

As far as claiming a role is concerned, it's not going to change your mind one bit, so here goes: Vanilla, Mafia-aligned.

If I'm being overly active and helpful, IC... it's because that's all I can do.

I can think of a few ways to validate certain claims besides that. Ecks, what are your thoughts on Sifright and Geminex? I said that I would be open to swapping them around so I would be up for lynching either Sifright or Geminex, so in your opinion, which one and why?

[Geminex]

Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, but...

10) Geminex - He pushed a bit for Nikose at the beginning, and almost lead a lynch on him. I am rather sure Nikose is town so that makes Geminex look really bad.

This doesn't seem right. At all.

I voted for Nikose on day 1. By the time I did, there were already 2 votes on him, I think. One of those was IHMN's. I had my own suspicions, based on what he had posted so far. Not good suspicions, but this was day one, what could you expect. I articulated these suspicions. When Nikose roleclaimed, I retracted my vote, because I didn't want to risk killing our Bodyguard.
At the end of day 1, votes were tied. You'll notice that my vote wasn't on either side. If I had wanted Nikose dead, I coulde have murdered him then and there! Instead I abstained.

You'll notice that out of the people who did vote for Nikose (IHMN, RPG, BF, Vauron), two are definitely town, one is someone you consider town, and one is lower on your list of suspicions than I am. So why on earth am I, someone who specifically didn't vote for Nikose, more suspicious than anyone who did?

As for the start of this day, yes! I did point out some inconsistencies in Nikose' story. I'm still not entirely sure I buy it! But BF made some good points in his defence, and the fact that he was willing to risk Aldurin exposing him is a point in his favor as well. You'll notice I mentioned this once and never again.

But if you consider me suspicious just because I have reasonable doubts in regards to the things Nikose says, then all you're really doing is punishing rational debate. We have to talk about things! And you can't tell me that my doubts weren't reasonable, both yesterday and today, can you?

[Ecks]

Gem's points are well made. Between the two, I'm willing to give Gem the benefit of the doubt that he's town. Sif, on the other hand, I'm still holding on to some suspicion given his misstep earlier (I quoted it in an earlier post). I do believe it was a setup, though, it's too convenient, and I would rather not assume scum to be that stupid.

I would like to point out what Gem said above about Vauron, he switched his vote to Nikose without any explanation whatsoever and then disappeared.

Things just aren't adding up here... I need some more time to go over the thread, I think. Sif looks suspicious, so there is a lead on a lynch there... I wanna be damn sure before I throw a vote out.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

I can think of a few ways to validate certain claims besides that. Ecks, what are your thoughts on Sifright and Geminex? I said that I would be open to swapping them around so I would be up for lynching either Sifright or Geminex, so in your opinion, which one and why?

In actual answer to your question IC, between the two of them Sifright looks the most suspicious, so if we have no other leads I would vote in this direction.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, but...

This doesn't seem right. At all.

I voted for Nikose on day 1. By the time I did, there were already 2 votes on him, I think. One of those was IHMN's. I had my own suspicions, based on what he had posted so far. Not good suspicions, but this was day one, what could you expect. I articulated these suspicions. When Nikose roleclaimed, I retracted my vote, because I didn't want to risk killing our Bodyguard.
At the end of day 1, votes were tied. You'll notice that my vote wasn't on either side. If I had wanted Nikose dead, I coulde have murdered him then and there! Instead I abstained.

You'll notice that out of the people who did vote for Nikose (IHMN, RPG, BF, Vauron), two are definitely town, one is someone you consider town, and one is lower on your list of suspicions than I am. So why on earth am I, someone who specifically didn't vote for Nikose, more suspicious than anyone who did?

As for the start of this day, yes! I did point out some inconsistencies in Nikose' story. I'm still not entirely sure I buy it! But BF made some good points in his defence, and the fact that he was willing to risk Aldurin exposing him is a point in his favor as well. You'll notice I mentioned this once and never again.

But if you consider me suspicious just because I have reasonable doubts in regards to the things Nikose says, then all you're really doing is punishing rational debate. We have to talk about things! And you can't tell me that my doubts weren't reasonable, both yesterday and today, can you?

The biggest reason was that you were the loudest, and then people couldn't shake the idea once you dropped off. While you still didn't stick around for it, you contributed to an almost-lynch on him.

You raise a good point however, how can I make that claim with Fenris in trusting going after rpg was a townie call when at the time of you voting Nikose, that wasn't a townie call either (at least, that is what I am seeing from that interpretation). I have a few questions for you though Gem. One, I can't for the life of me place what role fits you right now, would you mind filling me in on that? Two, between Sifright, and Ecks, who do you consider the worst threat and why? Third, what is your opinion on Vauron anyway, I mean, I don't know what to read off him, I wonder what other people think.

Next is a question aimed at Sifright. Of Geminex and Ecks, who do you consider a threat and why? Considering Ecks is leaning on you, and I am willing to bet Geminex is going to chime in wanting you, whats your opinion on both of them?

For now, I am going to

Unvote: Ecks

and leave it at that, I want to see someone else's response to all this besides 2 names on the list.

[BahamutFlare]

When there were a few votes on Ecks, Gem started pushing Nikose a bit more. This got Nikose to almost lynch. He completely took the heat off of Ecks. I suspect that Ecks and Gem are red scum team.

Sif, if both lynchees were people you thought were town, then RPG might have saved the game right then and there by going no lynch.

A roleblocker is usually a town gifted ability. This means, that I would deem Fenris to be town. A mimic is an unusual power. Neat but interesting. But let's look at IC's power in general and Ecks claim. I doubt so very much a vanilla town exists. I mean, we have a watcher die. So even if the role isn't powerful, it isn't vanilla. Vanilla would probably be reserved for scum. And you didn't give your name meaning you don't have a safelist or your name gives you away. Wrong formatting too with the role claim.

Vote: Ecks

[BahamutFlare]

As for Sifright, I'm not so sure. I'm going Gem and Ecks first and foremost. I could see him trying to set up a WIFOM to create confusion against himself. I'm being framed (By myself) by the SK (Which is also myself) is a good tactic.