NP, I have some rage to vent - Page 13

Krylo · 12-18-2009, 02:47 PM

I would rather they just not respond to him, personally.

Maybe I'm getting old, but man, I'm just having trouble seeing the lulz and not just being painfully embarrassed for the whole thread.

Osterbaum · 12-18-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krylo

I would rather they just not respond to him, personally.

You mean people to Nightshine? Or do you mean Fifth?

Krylo · 12-18-2009, 02:51 PM

The former.

Osterbaum · 12-18-2009, 02:55 PM

I think everyone should be allowed more than one chance to learn to act proper on the forums etc. But there should be a limit to that ammount of chances.

That also translates to "I'm not sure who's right on this one".

Krylo · 12-18-2009, 02:58 PM

Well here's the thing.

You can either:

A) Be like this dude is an asshole and a troll, and then working on that assumption flame the shit out of him.

B) Be like this dude is an asshole and a troll, and then working on that assumption ignore the shit out of him.

Here's the problem--if you do A and are correct, you are doing exactly what he wants, and a troll getting what he wants never leaves. If you do A and are NOT correct you're just beating on some kid who doesn't know any better. And regardless of whether you're correct you end up looking like just as big a jack ass as him if not bigger in about 99% of cases.

Either way A is probably not a good choice.

If you do B and you are correct you are depriving the troll of his attention, and deprived of attention trolls quickly leave for greener pastures. If you do B and you are not correct the kid probably still wanders off, but you don't make yourselves look like jack asses in the process.

Like, a few people acting on A? Sure that's fine. No problem. It's gut instinct, not everyone can hold back.

But, again, 40 posts in two hours?

I just thought we were a little better than that.

Kim · 12-18-2009, 02:59 PM

Nightshine added me on instant messenger, and, you know what, he can be a pretty chill dude from time to time, and not a bad guy to just chat with or flit from topic to topic with. However, on this forum, he has created a very negative image of himself, and whether you agree with it or not, people are going to treat him differently based on the image he, himself, created. In this thread, he apologized for his behavior. That was very mature of him, and the moment he did people were pretty much instantly nicer to him. If he improves his behavior and shows that the apology was sincere, he will be treated much nicer in return, and I'm sure he knows this, and I'm sure I've said as much to him. If he does not, he will be continually treated the same as he was in this thread, and I honestly can not fault the forums for doing so.

Ryanderman · 12-18-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krylo

I mean the guy finally shows a modicum of respect for humanity, after you all dogpiled on him for defending misogynistic internet musicians, and he gets dogpiled again because he's, holy shit, a highschool atheist that doesn't like religion.

I'm not sure how I missed this earlier.

I really feel for the people of Darfur. They're in a really nasty situation, and they're just good people who don't deserve the genocide that's happening to them.

But man I hate the gays!Homosexuality should be abolished and gays should be locked up! It's disgusting and an abomination! But it's ok that I have this horribly bigoted view, because I've shown a modicum of respect to another segment of humanity!

Not sure that was the most clear analogy, but that's how I feel about the, "don't get mad at him for saying bad things about Christianity, because he's shown he can respect humanity when he wants to."

Krylo · 12-18-2009, 03:01 PM

Like I said, maybe I'm just getting old.

There was totally a time when I would have found this hilarious, but now it just embarrasses me.

Whatever.

I'm out (of this discussion).

Edit: P.S. Religions sucks.

Mirai Gen · 12-18-2009, 03:03 PM

If Nightshine's rule-breaking had been handled from the beginning like it should have I wouldn't have such a problem breaking rules to mock his ridiculousness, despite all efforts by the moderators (or just Meister) to keep him around for god-only-knows why.

Grapevine says he's LEAVING THE INTERNET FOREVER so maybe I don't have to care much anymore.

EDIT: Fifthfiend said, flat out, "I want to be conviced you're an okay poster so I'm going to give you two weeks to think about proving me wrong" or something. I mean come on.

Nightshine · 12-18-2009, 03:58 PM

This discussion has evolved quite nicely since the last 8 pages.

Yes, I'm a high school atheist. Yes, I say some pretty extreme things (religion should be abolished, insulting Kyanbu's rage, etc.). Yes, I created a pretty poor image for myself since day one. That's inexcusable.

However, since the time of which I joined this forum, I have essentially (as some people put it quite nicely) been "dogpiled" by many users of who have not agreed with my opinions or posting. This even went as far as to the music discussion, where I discussed maudlin of the Well (which turned into a huge debate by itself). This has been giving an unwelcome atmosphere.

However, like any high school kid, I do three things:

1. Learn
2. Mature
3. Try to fit in to the best of my ability.

And, I apologized. I'll also reiterate three things which are being misunderstood:

1. By "abolish religion", I meant to not recognize religion as a part of society or its needs, not "KILL ALL DA CHRISTIANZ GRR". Even then I was wrong.

2. I'm not for violence against women. Goddamn Fifth, I just found the whole D&B incident to be rather funny, ironic, internet humor, like everyone should.

3. I'm not a troll, I'm an idiot. An idiot who is trying not to be an idiot.

Do as you wish. You can think of me as you want to, for that is within your rights. However, I want basic respect, and I'm willing to give you exactly that back.

I also apologize to Kyanbu who I attacked without reason.

12-18-2009, 02:47 PM	#121
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	I would rather they just not respond to him, personally. Maybe I'm getting old, but man, I'm just having trouble seeing the lulz and not just being painfully embarrassed for the whole thread. __________________ I am very tired. Last edited by Krylo; 12-18-2009 at 02:51 PM.

12-18-2009, 02:51 PM	#123
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	The former. __________________ I am very tired.

12-18-2009, 02:55 PM	#124
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	I think everyone should be allowed more than one chance to learn to act proper on the forums etc. But there should be a limit to that ammount of chances. That also translates to "I'm not sure who's right on this one". __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

12-18-2009, 02:58 PM	#125
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Well here's the thing. You can either: A) Be like this dude is an asshole and a troll, and then working on that assumption flame the shit out of him. B) Be like this dude is an asshole and a troll, and then working on that assumption ignore the shit out of him. Here's the problem--if you do A and are correct, you are doing exactly what he wants, and a troll getting what he wants never leaves. If you do A and are NOT correct you're just beating on some kid who doesn't know any better. And regardless of whether you're correct you end up looking like just as big a jack ass as him if not bigger in about 99% of cases. Either way A is probably not a good choice. If you do B and you are correct you are depriving the troll of his attention, and deprived of attention trolls quickly leave for greener pastures. If you do B and you are not correct the kid probably still wanders off, but you don't make yourselves look like jack asses in the process. Like, a few people acting on A? Sure that's fine. No problem. It's gut instinct, not everyone can hold back. But, again, 40 posts in two hours? I just thought we were a little better than that. __________________ I am very tired. Last edited by Krylo; 12-18-2009 at 03:05 PM.

12-18-2009, 02:59 PM	#126
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Serious post, lulz. Nightshine added me on instant messenger, and, you know what, he can be a pretty chill dude from time to time, and not a bad guy to just chat with or flit from topic to topic with. However, on this forum, he has created a very negative image of himself, and whether you agree with it or not, people are going to treat him differently based on the image he, himself, created. In this thread, he apologized for his behavior. That was very mature of him, and *the moment he did* people were pretty much instantly nicer to him. If he improves his behavior and shows that the apology was sincere, he will be treated much nicer in return, and I'm sure he knows this, and I'm sure I've said as much to him. If he does not, he will be continually treated the same as he was in this thread, and I honestly can not fault the forums for doing so. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

12-18-2009, 03:01 PM	#128
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Like I said, maybe I'm just getting old. There was totally a time when I would have found this hilarious, but now it just embarrasses me. Whatever. I'm out (of this discussion). Edit: P.S. Religions sucks. __________________ I am very tired.

12-18-2009, 03:03 PM	#129
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	If Nightshine's rule-breaking had been handled from the beginning like it should have I wouldn't have such a problem breaking rules to mock his ridiculousness, despite all efforts by the moderators (or just Meister) to keep him around for god-only-knows why. Grapevine says he's LEAVING THE INTERNET FOREVER so maybe I don't have to care much anymore. EDIT: Fifthfiend said, flat out, "I want to be conviced you're an okay poster so I'm going to give you two weeks to think about proving me wrong" or something. I mean come on. __________________

12-18-2009, 03:58 PM	#130
Nightshine Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 283	This discussion has evolved quite nicely since the last 8 pages. Yes, I'm a high school atheist. Yes, I say some pretty extreme things (religion should be abolished, insulting Kyanbu's rage, etc.). Yes, I created a pretty poor image for myself since day one. That's inexcusable. However, since the time of which I joined this forum, I have essentially (as some people put it quite nicely) been "dogpiled" by many users of who have not agreed with my opinions or posting. This even went as far as to the music discussion, where I discussed maudlin of the Well (which turned into a huge debate by itself). This has been giving an unwelcome atmosphere. However, like any high school kid, I do three things: 1. Learn 2. Mature 3. Try to fit in to the best of my ability. And, I apologized. I'll also reiterate three things which are being misunderstood: 1. By "abolish religion", I meant to not recognize religion as a part of society or its needs, not "KILL ALL DA CHRISTIANZ GRR". Even then I was wrong. 2. I'm not for violence against women. Goddamn Fifth, I just found the whole D&B incident to be rather funny, ironic, internet humor, like everyone should. 3. I'm not a troll, I'm an idiot. An idiot who is trying not to be an idiot. Do as you wish. You can think of me as you want to, for that is within your rights. However, I want basic respect, and I'm willing to give you exactly that back. I also apologize to Kyanbu who I attacked without reason.