Infraction Bullshit

[Wigmund]

Oh dear god, we're all gonna die aren't we?

[shiney]

Oh jeez thanks Krylo.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Originally Posted by Wigmund

Oh dear god, we're all gonna die aren't we?

Shut up Rattrap!

[Loyal]

The secret's out, shiney! You're soft, and weak! You'll never mod in this town again!

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by shiney

Oh jeez thanks Krylo.

You know, I think another "Shiney, Dickhole or Assface" or whatever thread might be good for user morale right about now.

[Bob The Mercenary]

I can always let it slip how I tricked him into entering a Christian college dorm.

Oops. >_>

<3

[Seil]

You know, I think another "Shiney, Dickhole or Assface" or whatever thread might be good for user morale right about now.

I guess it would also be good for morale if you had some pancakes, too, huh?

[Token]

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

I think the rules need to be looked at by all the mods, I think a PR guy needs to be hired, and I think we need to promote another moderator.

Maybe like, Mesden or somebody else with estrogen.

I also think that we should moderate for the people and not for ourselves so shiney's running m.o. of "your opinion doesn't matter" or whatever the hell you kids are saying it is doesn't sit well with me. Not saying that you'd get what you wanted all the time, but at least your voices would be acknowledged and weighed in decision making, via PR guy, most likely.

I think these are all excellent ideas. There's only one thing I would change: the rules need to be looked at by all the mods and all the members. I think that in all honesty, if the mods are coming across as unfair, it's because a lot of us have been pushing it. Now, for a long time there haven't really been consequences for that because the guy who seemed to do most of the modding loved to push it as well. People grew used to that, the "regime," for lack of a better word, changed, and many of us chafed. Its not excusable, but it is understandable. I'm afraid a long winded and awkwardly worded rant is coming up.

As for Fifth: I like him. I really do. He was sort of like my old English teacher in that when people started joking around, he would jump right in. Don't get me wrong, it was fun as hell when it lasted, but it hurt us in the long run. We got accustomed to that, an authority figure who was pretty much one of us, didn't mind the swearing or sarcasm. And the next year, when we got a different teacher, most of us ended up in detention and our old teacher ended up fired. This may seem like a tangent, but the analogy makes sense in my head. Fifth was great. He was one of us, and we grew accustomed to less stringent enforcement of certain rules. Nothing vital; we didn't go around posting porn or doing anything illegal, but we grew to expect the occasional flame or spam post. It got worse, the mods decided to act.

Like it or not, they did their job.

There's really no denying that. However, there is also no denying that they were pushed into action that none of us -and I do mean us. NPF as a whole. Mods, posters and lurkers alike- none of us liked, because of a disagreement about what is acceptable forum behavior. I don't think you can really blame any one person or group for this. We can't change what happened, but for the sake of the community we need to come together and figure out how to fix it.

As I was saying a paragraph or two ago, I like Fifth. He's funny and intelligent. However, lately his behavior was out and out trollish.I understand why he would be bitter, but he handled it in entirely the wrong manner. Synk raised an interesting point that no one had discussed at the time I started writing this (with how quickly this thread is moving, that may change by the time I hit submit). What would we think if we saw Fifth's actions coming from someone who wasn't him? If he were just some new guy who disliked the staff? We'd treat him like we treated Nightlight or Frogman. I've seen this kind of thing on a forum I used to visit. There was an admin who was absolutely invaluable to the site's current state. But he had a different style from the rest of the staff, he crossed too many lines, and got fired. He got bitter as well, and started taking it out on everyone. Dude had an obscene amount of proxies as well, so they couldn't ban him- and for a few months they didn't want to. They thought he'd get over it. Now, someone who was one of the most important, funny, and well liked members of the forums is on pretty much everyone's ignore list because he held a grudge for six years. I'd hate to see that happen to Fifth, and I'm kind of glad he got this ban- assuming it's not permanent. In all honesty, he deserved it, and maybe more time to cool off is what he needs.

Right now though, Fifth isn't the issue. NPF is the issue, and I don't think we all understand that. A lot of us have been bitter since he was demodded, because we no longer have a rapport with the staff. That rapport was one of the reasons that NPF was, as so eloquently put "less of a shithole than most other places on the internet." It's certainly part of the reason I finally ended up joining after swearing off forums. It certainly didn't help that we've been getting a lot of non-answers over the past few months. I think a PR guy is just what we need to bring some semblance of community back to the forums. More community than just us versus them anyway, which is what it seems to be devolving into. I just don't know how many people would be willing to do it at this point though.

EDIT: GODDAMNIT PROBLEMS RESOLVED IN THE HALF HOUR IT TOOK ME TO TYPE THIS.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Krylo

I'm not sure what rules to suggest though, so if the community has some opinions on this, why not go ahead and voice them.

Just off the top of my head

1: Banning or Infracting someone for holding reprehensible opinions is not allowed) as long as they break no actual existing rules

2: Temp Bans and minor infractions can be tossed around like hard candy, but any perma bans or serious infractions have to be approved by either an admin, or 2-3 mods.

3: No major decisions( Promotions, Demotions, Major Rule changes) can be made, either by admin, or mod, without a general consensus of the mod staff.

4: If a mod is going to get up to HILARIOUS mod-power abusing shenanigans, they should at least says so in the mod forum to prevent confusion

There should also be some sort of agreed-upon protocol within the mod staff regarding how to conduct oneself whilst doing official duties.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

I have one.

As stupid as it sounds, I think alternate forum colours should be restricted to mod's and admins, who use them when in Mod/Admin mode. When one always posts in white, we don't know if they are joking or not.

Of note I don't include Synk as he turns his font to white when enforcing the rule.