One more take on the 434 - Page 14

Squall Leonhart · 11-21-2005, 11:53 PM

Still, Fighter has been kept alive after all the murder attempts. Now, add to this that he is the chosen one, we discover destiny has been altered to make him survive.

Sure, you got all those explanations about the armor and sleeping and such, but he just won't die because his future has been written already. By this, I mean that he's going to get every single advantage. At least until he cast away evil.

The Wizard Who Did It · 11-22-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Burkion

Nother example of Fighter being smart: http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030619

...ok, since we've figured out that it's Fighter and Black Mage...(Until Brain decides to prove us wrong and have it be the Onion Kid) What now?

What now? The mods sticky this thread so 434 doesn't come up again in another year. Or at least people won't start from scratch. We can at least give that much to our future selves.
Also people are probably still going to argue opposing points, but that's besides the point.

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Originally Posted by BlackHBMage

Still, Fighter has been kept alive after all the murder attempts. Now, add to this that he is the chosen one, we discover destiny has been altered to make him survive.

Sure, you got all those explanations about the armor and sleeping and such, but he just won't die because his future has been written already. By this, I mean that he's going to get every single advantage. At least until he cast away evil.

Why do I have a feeling that your statement of Fighter's destiny sounds like BB's epitaph, and that that is probably going to come back and bite us in the ass.

God, I love this comic.

Squall Leonhart · 11-22-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

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Why do I have a feeling that your statement of Fighter's destiny sounds like BB's epitaph, and that that is probably going to come back and bite us in the ass.

God, I love this comic.

What? No, none of that.

It just all fits in so nicely, it's my theory of what's going on/will go on.

ZAKtheGeek · 11-22-2005, 12:29 AM

The ultimate test of fighter's durability: has he actually ever had to take a hadoken?

Burkion · 11-22-2005, 12:36 AM

http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030729

This is proof he can't be killed. Utter proof. Having your organs emploded...

The Wizard Who Did It · 11-22-2005, 12:38 AM

I will clarify.
I believe you are right as well.

However, I looked at your statement and for the first time noticed the implication of BB's epitaph, of destiny, and how his death may be significant. I looked at it this way and saw that this may be the purpose of that big long epitaph, that the LWs, specifically Fighter, have a destiny with a path they only have to walk, as implied by both BM in 434 and BB later.
I thought that Brian may slighly refer back to BB's death or his thoughts at death, and will tie this whole thing together.

What I meant by coming back to bite us in the ass was that we will finally see extra significance in BB's last thoughts.

Please put up with this writing. I am VERY tired.

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Originally Posted by ZAKtheGeek

The ultimate test of fighter's durability: has he actually ever had to take a hadoken?

Has anything survived a hadoken? My friend and I were playing an odd RP game earlier today and I summoned BM to hadoken his legions. We agreed I won. And I also have funny feeling that eventually we may find out (referring to scene hinted at in the 434).

Also Zak, BM himself has said it, Fighter doesn't die. He won't stay dead. I would appreciate it if you drop it. Yes he CAN die, it just is really difficult.

kaizen · 11-22-2005, 06:27 AM

I haven't seen anyone really comment on what the final situation is in which this conversation is taking place, except to say it�s probably the final conversation before some apocalyptic battle, involving everyone being dead except BM and the other speaker. But it might not be so final. There are two other possibilities I thought of (though they are probably less likely than the final battle scenario):

#1 it could be just a very long joke. basically, BM is talking to another light warrior in the midst of a big catastrophe were their death is imminent, musing about how they got there, and BM thinks of the events in #434. Hilarity ensues, somehow.

#2 (slightly more likely) BM and some other light warrior are both dead and in hell, thus hell king text for BM. Being that they are in hell, they think about how they ended up there. BM remembers riding the windshield of the deathtrap/airship. Hilarity ensues, probably.

In both cases the other speaker would probably be fighter, because of the antagonism between BM and fighter, resulting in what I assume is even more hilarity. And all the other evidence for fighter helps too.

No matter what the context of the conversation, it has to be fighter.
If you read the conversation closely, it seems to me the BM is mocking fighter because he never saw that BM truly hated him and tried to kill him. Fighter, being the hero and true friend, will not give up on BM, thus the lines "it is not too late"(fighter) followed by "it is for some people"(BM). Also, the first frame speaks to this. BM is talking about how his fate lead to whatever evil end and is therefore unredeemable, but fighter denies there is fate(even though he may belive in it anyway) in an attempt to convince BM to become good (I would say again, but I guess he has never been good). But with in the 8 bit world, there is fate, which BM sort of proves in the second frame and fighter sort of accepts in the fourth frame, possibly resigning himself to the final battle with his former friend. For those who think it is ooc for fighter to talk like this, or above his IQ, there are plenty instances were he is smart. I just don't feel like linking to them
Thief and RM would never make an attempt to appeal to BM in any way, and besides they wouldn't attempt to fight his hell king form; they wouldn't stand a chance. Plus, since BM can't seem to kill fighter, it makes sense that he would survive the initial betrayal.
I guess it could be possible for WM to have this kind of conversation with BM, and maybe even stand a chance in a fight with him, but probably not. Especially since Brian said it�s probably not her.
It could also Be BB, through some wierd plot device, but Brian would never do that just to spite everyone who wanted him back.

MetalPsycho · 11-22-2005, 08:08 AM

I was thinking about the thought of Fighter and BM being in hell. One problem there.

Fighter would never go to Hell. He's to good/innoscent/stupid. Also, he's a destined warrior. So he's probably going to heaven.

Burkion · 11-22-2005, 01:11 PM

What if...what if Black Mage, after retaking Hell, goes to Heaven to take over? Then...

The Wizard Who Did It · 11-22-2005, 03:35 PM

Yeah, the hell scenario is unlikely. Unless Fighter commits suicide to go after/help his friend, BM.

Plus, what is with people not reading former posts. You mention comics which show his intelligence which have been all over the place for the last 2 pages. Plus ZAKtheGeek brought up Fighter's invincibility, which was already brought up, but I don't believe it was finished. Plus I believe there were other occurances and I am too lazy to look back on them.

I ask that people read the entire post so that we are not rephrasing things. For example kaizen could have just said "we already know of his inteligence due to the evidense in former posts" or something like that that is not so nerdy.
Sorry if this is spamming but I had to say it.
And welcome to the forums kaizen. Have a nice time.

Edit: It only just struck me on the "Fighter" is stupid thing.
Let's clarify something. There is no generic smart and stupid scale. People have different areas of inteligence, such as street smarts and book smarts. To make my point I will use an extreme.

The classical mathematical idiot savant. He looks like a bumbling idiot, until he flashes out calculations faster then a calculater with greater accuracy.

Anyone see a relation to Fighter?
He is practically an idiot savant. He is naive to an extremely sad scale with horrible people skills, yet he uses and applies rather complex ideas at different times with the vocabulary of an english professer. Most people see the bumbling idiot, but there is evidense of a genious beneath.

Questions? Comments? Complaints? I know I probably might have restated the already said many times, but some people need a real world example. Here it is.

11-22-2005, 12:29 AM	#134
ZAKtheGeek Worth every yenny Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: not my mind that's for sure! Posts: 1,299	The ultimate test of fighter's durability: has he actually ever had to take a hadoken? __________________ Pyro Icon - It needs your love. I haven't looked at it in months.

11-22-2005, 08:08 AM	#138
MetalPsycho Pikachu wants a hug. With teeth. Join Date: May 2005 Location: 4th Layer of Hell: Georgia. Posts: 632	I was thinking about the thought of Fighter and BM being in hell. One problem there. Fighter would never go to Hell. He's to good/innoscent/stupid. Also, he's a destined warrior. So he's probably going to heaven. __________________ I sometimes wonder why people even try to make things that few ever really see funny. I could say anything I want here, and only half the people who see my posts at all would ever know. I could write "Dingle Blatter Potato-chucks" and question fifthfiend's sexuality all in one sentence, and noone would ever care.

11-22-2005, 03:35 PM	#140
The Wizard Who Did It The End of Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Some call it hell; I call it home. Posts: 1,822	Yeah, the hell scenario is unlikely. Unless Fighter commits suicide to go after/help his friend, BM. Plus, what is with people not reading former posts. You mention comics which show his intelligence which have been all over the place for the last 2 pages. Plus ZAKtheGeek brought up Fighter's invincibility, which was already brought up, but I don't believe it was finished. Plus I believe there were other occurances and I am too lazy to look back on them. I ask that people read the entire post so that we are not rephrasing things. For example kaizen could have just said "we already know of his inteligence due to the evidense in former posts" or something like that that is not so nerdy. Sorry if this is spamming but I had to say it. And welcome to the forums kaizen. Have a nice time. Edit: It only just struck me on the "Fighter" is stupid thing. Let's clarify something. There is no generic smart and stupid scale. People have different areas of inteligence, such as street smarts and book smarts. To make my point I will use an extreme. The classical mathematical idiot savant. He looks like a bumbling idiot, until he flashes out calculations faster then a calculater with greater accuracy. Anyone see a relation to Fighter? He is practically an idiot savant. He is naive to an extremely sad scale with horrible people skills, yet he uses and applies rather complex ideas at different times with the vocabulary of an english professer. Most people see the bumbling idiot, but there is evidense of a genious beneath. Questions? Comments? Complaints? I know I probably might have restated the already said many times, but some people need a real world example. Here it is. __________________ And this world's smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite. ~Dr. Manhattan Last edited by The Wizard Who Did It; 11-22-2005 at 06:00 PM. Reason: Realization

11-22-2005, 12:36 AM	#135
Burkion Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upon a throne...watching over all of you. Posts: 619	http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030729 This is proof he can't be killed. Utter proof. Having your organs emploded...

11-22-2005, 06:27 AM	#137
kaizen god of pancakes Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2	I haven't seen anyone really comment on what the final situation is in which this conversation is taking place, except to say it�s probably the final conversation before some apocalyptic battle, involving everyone being dead except BM and the other speaker. But it might not be so final. There are two other possibilities I thought of (though they are probably less likely than the final battle scenario): #1 it could be just a very long joke. basically, BM is talking to another light warrior in the midst of a big catastrophe were their death is imminent, musing about how they got there, and BM thinks of the events in #434. Hilarity ensues, somehow. #2 (slightly more likely) BM and some other light warrior are both dead and in hell, thus hell king text for BM. Being that they are in hell, they think about how they ended up there. BM remembers riding the windshield of the deathtrap/airship. Hilarity ensues, probably. In both cases the other speaker would probably be fighter, because of the antagonism between BM and fighter, resulting in what I assume is even more hilarity. And all the other evidence for fighter helps too. No matter what the context of the conversation, it has to be fighter. If you read the conversation closely, it seems to me the BM is mocking fighter because he never saw that BM truly hated him and tried to kill him. Fighter, being the hero and true friend, will not give up on BM, thus the lines "it is not too late"(fighter) followed by "it is for some people"(BM). Also, the first frame speaks to this. BM is talking about how his fate lead to whatever evil end and is therefore unredeemable, but fighter denies there is fate(even though he may belive in it anyway) in an attempt to convince BM to become good (I would say again, but I guess he has never been good). But with in the 8 bit world, there is fate, which BM sort of proves in the second frame and fighter sort of accepts in the fourth frame, possibly resigning himself to the final battle with his former friend. For those who think it is ooc for fighter to talk like this, or above his IQ, there are plenty instances were he is smart. I just don't feel like linking to them Thief and RM would never make an attempt to appeal to BM in any way, and besides they wouldn't attempt to fight his hell king form; they wouldn't stand a chance. Plus, since BM can't seem to kill fighter, it makes sense that he would survive the initial betrayal. I guess it could be possible for WM to have this kind of conversation with BM, and maybe even stand a chance in a fight with him, but probably not. Especially since Brian said it�s probably not her. It could also Be BB, through some wierd plot device, but Brian would never do that just to spite everyone who wanted him back.

11-22-2005, 01:11 PM	#139
Burkion Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upon a throne...watching over all of you. Posts: 619	What if...what if Black Mage, after retaking Hell, goes to Heaven to take over? Then...