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spontaneous combustion · 03-05-2008, 08:06 PM

The issue with that is a mafiate would have to be retarted to choose one of their own in that situation. If they did, then if the S.K. kills them or the P.P finds out their real role, then they have effectively thrown their own under the bus. A mafiate can still win even if they die, and should I wake up tommorrow as scum, then I have effectively accomplished nothing, other than possibly given the town loads of information.

Truce · 03-05-2008, 08:32 PM

"Taking on a name" would be saying you are that person.

In any case...yes, I suppose there's that to consider, SC. I can't argue that without getting into a lot of what ifs, so...

Unvote: spontaneous combustion; Vote: Deathpidgeon

I'll agree with SC's plan this time; there hasn't really been a game where we've tried it, after all. As I said, the information I was given might be wrong, after all. Still, I picked deathpidgeon because, while I may give SC a chance, the fact that he assumed that SC was the PO so quickly and even voted for someone for voting for SC immediately after...

Well, it strikes me as off.

deathpigeon · 03-05-2008, 08:56 PM

Unvote

I was just saying he may be a PO and we shouldn't risk lynching a PO on a hunch.

Selfish Philanthropic · 03-05-2008, 10:42 PM

OK, OK, wait. Ecurt suddenly reveals that SC is the primary villain, gets 13 total votes for SC, then changes his vote to the only person who defended SC after he roleclaimed. Either SC is taking a massive risk, Ecurt's role is messed up, or Ecurt completely invented his role.

I will, however, Unvote: 42PETUNIAS, for the time being, as this situation with Ecurt and spontaneous combustion is much more questionable.

Captain Combustible · 03-05-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecurt

"Taking on a name" would be saying you are that person.

In any case...yes, I suppose there's that to consider, SC. I can't argue that without getting into a lot of what ifs, so...

Unvote: spontaneous combustion; Vote: Deathpidgeon

I'll agree with SC's plan this time; there hasn't really been a game where we've tried it, after all. As I said, the information I was given might be wrong, after all. Still, I picked deathpidgeon because, while I may give SC a chance, the fact that he assumed that SC was the PO so quickly and even voted for someone for voting for SC immediately after...

Well, it strikes me as off.

so you are going to dis-regard the person the GM told you was scum and vote the person who defended him instead? Really?

Truce · 03-05-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Combustible

so you are going to dis-regard the person the GM told you was scum and vote the person who defended him instead? Really?

Yes. Call it insanity, call it curiosity, but I honestly want to see what he does.

More importantly, when I can't counter his counter to my counter against his argument, I'm not stubborn enough to continue what I'm doing anyway.

What will he do, after all? Whatever his action is, whatever his role is, the resulting consequences gives us more of a clue than what we would otherwise - and we'd still have him marked as a suspect. Me as well, for that matter, since I am known to have a love for plotting things out.

Still, why deathpidgeon?

Yes, he defended SC. He says now that we shouldn't take the risk. However, in his post, he immediately made a vote on Ryanderman, assumed that SC was the PO and made no real comment on anything else. Even when he did explain himself, it was just one sentence - and only after I commented on it as well (though that could, instead, be attributed to differing time zones).

Because of his behavior, I'm guessing one of two things: The first is that he's mafia, and so is SC, so he would try to defend him pretty early. Unlikely. The second is that he's mafia, and he knows who the real mafiates are, and knows that SC isn't Yakavetta after all.

Neither scenario relies on me trusting that the information given to me was correct, but instead on what I have observed myself. And, again, by letting SC live one more day, we have a better chance of gleaming some clue from his actions.

Professor Smarmiarty · 03-06-2008, 12:11 AM

What on earth Ecurt? I feel the influence of a mentalist role perhaps.
You can easily counter SC's arguments becauswe we have to lynch someone today and he has by far the most reason to be the one we lynch. His roleclaim has no back-up and thus he has no more chance of actually being a PO as any other person.

The only other idea that springs to mind is that we could lynch Deathpidgeon today and wait for a result from SC tommorow but there are problems with that A) Deathpidgeon's only crime was defending our primary target and is not as worrisome with no real evidence B) It would be quite easy for him to fabricate an investigation C) SC is lying!

Moogle0119 · 03-06-2008, 01:14 AM

I have to agree with BHS's point B. If we let sc live (and assuming he was indeed mafia) he could pick one of his mafia buddies to help him out with making him look good in our eyes.

The next day he just says "Oh, Person X is Blah-blah Town aligned, right?"

And then Person X goes "Yup, he's right!" And that is dangeous because it will validate two town claims even though they are scum without any real concrete evidence (i.e. deathpost) to back this up.

Cati · 03-06-2008, 02:23 AM

Brain. Brain. There are just so many ways that SC's plan could fail for town, so yeah, my vote stays. If you're innocent SC, I'm really sorry, but logic wants you dead. Really, there's no more chance of SC being a PO than there is of any of the rest of us being a PO -- just his word, and unfortunately, no evidence to support it. And considering the circumstances, even if we wait a day, I don't think I'd trust any evidence he might provide because as BH-S and Moogle said, at this point in the game, it's pretty easy to fake.

Also, although deathpigeon's actions seem slightly scummy, I'm not sure I'm ready to equate him to scum yet. Although it could be mafia protecting mafia, it could also be just a quick unfortunately phrased defense.

But blah, blah.

By the way, what's a mentalist role do?

secretskull · 03-06-2008, 05:06 AM

You know, I think we might have a lyncher type role on our hands. A lyncher needs to vote someone off in order to win. Just something to think about.

I'm going to wait for a while so that I can understand what is going on.

03-05-2008, 10:42 PM	#134
Selfish Philanthropic Homestardansen Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Floor-ih-duh! Posts: 178	OK, OK, wait. Ecurt suddenly reveals that SC is the primary villain, gets 13 total votes for SC, then changes his vote to the only person who defended SC after he roleclaimed. Either SC is taking a massive risk, Ecurt's role is messed up, or Ecurt completely invented his role. I will, however, Unvote: 42PETUNIAS, for the time being, as this situation with Ecurt and spontaneous combustion is much more questionable. __________________ "To convince someone of the truth, it is not enough to state the truth, rather one must find the way from error to truth." -Ludwig Wittgenstein "Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society." -Albert Einstein Last edited by Selfish Philanthropic; 03-05-2008 at 10:50 PM.

03-06-2008, 01:14 AM	#138
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	I have to agree with BHS's point B. If we let sc live (and assuming he was indeed mafia) he could pick one of his mafia buddies to help him out with making him look good in our eyes. The next day he just says "Oh, Person X is Blah-blah Town aligned, right?" And then Person X goes "Yup, he's right!" And that is dangeous because it will validate two town claims even though they are scum without any real concrete evidence (i.e. deathpost) to back this up. __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

03-06-2008, 02:23 AM	#139
Cati Hoopy Frood Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Posts: 147	Brain. Brain. There are just so many ways that SC's plan could fail for town, so yeah, my vote stays. If you're innocent SC, I'm really sorry, but logic wants you dead. Really, there's no more chance of SC being a PO than there is of any of the rest of us being a PO -- just his word, and unfortunately, no evidence to support it. And considering the circumstances, even if we wait a day, I don't think I'd trust any evidence he might provide because as BH-S and Moogle said, at this point in the game, it's pretty easy to fake. Also, although deathpigeon's actions seem slightly scummy, I'm not sure I'm ready to equate him to scum yet. Although it could be mafia protecting mafia, it could also be just a quick unfortunately phrased defense. But blah, blah. By the way, what's a mentalist role do? __________________ - Cati

03-06-2008, 05:06 AM	#140
secretskull SMARTASS Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Israel Posts: 1,297	You know, I think we might have a lyncher type role on our hands. A lyncher needs to vote someone off in order to win. Just something to think about. I'm going to wait for a while so that I can understand what is going on. __________________ Do geese see god? Everyone is an asshole. Including me. Especially including the double asshole who read this and nodded smugly.

03-05-2008, 08:32 PM	#132
Truce Lakitu Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,856	"Taking on a name" would be saying you are that person. In any case...yes, I suppose there's that to consider, SC. I can't argue that without getting into a lot of what ifs, so... Unvote: spontaneous combustion; Vote: Deathpidgeon I'll agree with SC's plan this time; there hasn't really been a game where we've tried it, after all. As I said, the information I was given might be wrong, after all. Still, I picked deathpidgeon because, while I may give SC a chance, the fact that he assumed that SC was the PO so quickly and even voted for someone for voting for SC immediately after... Well, it strikes me as off.

03-06-2008, 12:11 AM	#137
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	What on earth Ecurt? I feel the influence of a mentalist role perhaps. You can easily counter SC's arguments becauswe we have to lynch someone today and he has by far the most reason to be the one we lynch. His roleclaim has no back-up and thus he has no more chance of actually being a PO as any other person. The only other idea that springs to mind is that we could lynch Deathpidgeon today and wait for a result from SC tommorow but there are problems with that A) Deathpidgeon's only crime was defending our primary target and is not as worrisome with no real evidence B) It would be quite easy for him to fabricate an investigation C) SC is lying!