Ultimate Spider Man: Peter Parker is dead, long live Spider-Man

[Kim]

I'm not sure how saying that the character is in fact a person of color is the same as shoving it in our faces?

And, I mean, if you're going to call Unfortunate Implications, making claims that someone is "shoving it in people's faces" is one of those things with Unfortunate Implications. Just saying.

[Nikose Tyris]

I believe Jagos is citing all the information that was divulged during the interview(s?) instead of letting these things be revealed naturally through the story.

[Kim]

They leaked Spiderman's death before he died, so I just don't feel like them revealing details of upcoming comics in a broad sense and then discussing those decisions is any sort of huge departure that makes this particular example of it horribad.

[Jagos]

And, I mean, if you're going to call Unfortunate Implications, making claims that someone is "shoving it in people's faces" is one of those things with Unfortunate Implications. Just saying.

Because the people that don't endear themselves to Peter Parker's replacement, then making him racially different, is going to make people speaking out against it racist. Yeah...

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Jagos

Because the people that don't endear themselves to Peter Parker's replacement, then making him racially different, is going to make people speaking out against it racist. Yeah...

Okay, now I understand your sentence, but I'm not sure your point?

I guess you're saying "Just because people don't like Parker's replacement who is a person of color doesn't mean they're racist."

1. This doesn't really seem to make sense as a response to what I said so it kinda comes outta left field, which is probably part of why I was so confused.

2. I've never called anyone in this thread racist, I don't think. I made fun of Overcast defending people I viewed as racist, because he was defending them bringing new Spidey's race into their problems with him. I also pointed out a double standard and complained about that, but that was less me being mad at anyone in particular and more me being mad with a double standard I've seen on a number of occasions.

So I'm just not sure what the relevance of this post is, I guess?

[Jagos]

I'm not trying to get into the same argument again. You criticized me for basically saying that the sexuality and race of a character shouldn't be what defines him. I'm leaving it at that, since Token's argument explains a lot better than I care to do right now.

[Kim]

That sure is a mischaracterization of my argument that fails to answer the question I asked and doesn't at all clear up my confusion regarding your post.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Anyone want to talk about any plot threads they might pick up in the new series from the old one or something like that? I'd much rather actually talk about comics then continue to partake in a pointless conversation about the race/controversy over Mile Morales.

So yeah, is there anyone that actually wants to talk about Ultimate Spider-Man?

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Jagos

Dude, seriously...

What. The. FLYING. FUCK!?

You're freaking out about an article from a British tabloid? Really?

Really?

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

In terms of comics missing the point:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...miles-morales/

I disagree.

Yes, it misses a point, that there are people who simply are fans of ultimate Peter Parker and are upset about his being killed and replaced, and the fan outrage from them has nothing to do with Miles' race. However, those people are neither nowhere near the majority of the vocal outcry against this decision nor the loudest voices in it. It's mostly people who've never read Ultimate Spider-Man, much less 616 Amazing Spider-Man for that matter, being mad because they think white Spider-Man is being affirmative actioned out of his job by black Spider-Man. And a half hispanic black Spider-Man, at that!

It's a double "dey tuk er jerbs" attack!

I will, however, note that the comic made a massive error in using the rather unpopular Azrael Batman to make their point, as the more popular Dick Grayson or Terry McGinnis Batmen probably would have worked better.

[Nique]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

The way you phrased your post made it sound as if it were worse that there are certain areas that are completely tolerant, when other areas aren't, because that horrible evil thing lead to Nazi Germany becoming what it was.

I guess I can see where you might get that but my analogy of Nazis was not used in that it was to be taken as a comprehensive metaphor for racial issues in America today, but rather to illustrate that being ignorant of [something bad] doesn't help combat [something bad]. And also that ignorance of or insulation against racism =! tolerance, as this is a condition that exists within many predominantly white areas where many people 'don't see what all the fuss is about' and when it comes down to it actually turn out to be pretty racist or at least extremely bigoted.

Originally Posted by Sevenshot

So yeah, is there anyone that actually wants to talk about Ultimate Spider-Man?

I'm actually kind of kicking myself for not picking up these issues. I thumbed through the issue with Peter's death and found it didn't make much sense as I wasn't really familar with the events that led up to it, but Miles comes in with one of the 'Ultimate Fallout' books that I should check out.