Still not ginger (Thenew doctor who thread) - Page 15

Kim · 06-26-2010, 05:34 PM

Almost done with it, but it's bugging the hell out of me that River didn't know what the crack was the first time she saw one in the season but she knew about the pandorica opening which was created because of the cracks and I'm going to lose my mind if I keep thinking about this.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 06-26-2010, 07:11 PM

Noncon; these last 2 episodes are the first time River has encountered the cracks in time. The previous version of River we've seen, both earlier this season and during the library episodes last season, were later versions of her. This is the earliest version of River the Doctor has encountered vus far, so of course she wouldn't know what's to come later on.

Kim · 06-26-2010, 07:18 PM

Yes, but the later version of her knew about the pandorica but didn't know about the cracks.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 06-26-2010, 07:38 PM

Who says she didn't know about the cracks? Maybe she did but just didn't tell the Doctor what she knew because, yano, spoilers.

Kim · 06-26-2010, 07:42 PM

She's never seemed all that worried about pretending she doesn't know stuff before.

Carade · 06-26-2010, 08:53 PM

Fezzes are cool.

Steel Shadow · 06-26-2010, 11:35 PM

Meh. That felt pretty cheap, as finales go. The opening was great, but then the credits came on and everything just got pretty dull. Time travel resolution - great. Wasn't there rules about this stuff in dr who? Maybe those only apply to the Tardis for some reason, despite that making no sense. Ah, time loops which completely rely on themselves to happen. And the sonic screwdriver can open the Pandorica. The Doctors biggest ~~dues ex~~Skelieton key can unlock a prison made specifically to contain him. That's not even getting into the fact that it wouldn't have happened if it hadn't happened. When you start doing that sort of thing to resolve your plot, what's the bloody point?

Amy's not *actually* dead! Despite being clearly dead. No no, she's just mostly dead, really!

Haven't mentioned it before since I haven't been posting here much, but the doc's psycic powers as the plot demands are really, really starting to annoy me. Need someone to trust you? Just bump your head on theirs. Never mind the thousands of times the Doctor's been in a position where a power like that would be really, really useful and he's not used it.

I'm ignoring River. Justified or not, she wandered off into Mary Sue territory somewhere along the line and she ain't come back. Any plot holes she creates are just her being special.

Half the plot was spent running away from a Darlek that apprently can't kill the Doctor with a direct hit. Aside from a little drama, didn't feel like it added anything to the plot, aside from "Look! A Darlek! This is definnatly Dr. Who, no mistakes there!"

There were some good things about the episode, I'm just ignoring most of them. Rory bot I liked. The characters (aside from River) were fun. The set up was great. Next episode looks interesting... Yeah, that's all I got. Gimme a bit, I'll try to think of something.

Kim · 06-26-2010, 11:39 PM

I think the reason it didn't kill him is that he made it to the Pandorica soon enough for it to fix him. Also, like he said in the previous episode, it's really easy to open from the outside.

Steel Shadow · 06-26-2010, 11:49 PM

He sure took his sweet time about getting there! Whatever happened to the 'Darleks shoot you, you die' thing? And why couldn't he just say "Hey, go distract the darlek for me!"? And wasn't the Darlek (and a mop-locked door) between where he collapsed and the Pandorica? And how does a sonic screwdriver unlock all those security measures they went on about last episode on it's own? When used by someone who doesn't have a clue what he's doing, no less... Ah, why do I care. The whole thing got stupid the instant they used a time loop to resolve an unresolvable problem.

Kim · 06-26-2010, 11:52 PM

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He sure took his sweet time about getting there! Whatever happened to the 'Darleks shoot you, you die' thing?

The Doctor has always taken longer to die than normal people, and has managed to save his own life as a result of it several times. This is nothing new.

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And why couldn't he just say "Hey, go distract the darlek for me!"?

I think it's part "What if the Dalek heard or Rory and Amy acted differently as a result of hearing that" and part "I said that because that's what I said."

06-26-2010, 05:34 PM	#141
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Almost done with it, but it's bugging the hell out of me that River didn't know what the crack was the first time she saw one in the season but she knew about the pandorica opening which was created because of the cracks and I'm going to lose my mind if I keep thinking about this. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

06-26-2010, 07:18 PM	#143
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Yes, but the later version of her knew about the pandorica but didn't know about the cracks. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

06-26-2010, 07:42 PM	#145
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	She's never seemed all that worried about pretending she doesn't know stuff before. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

06-26-2010, 11:35 PM	#147
Steel Shadow Mild Psychosis Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Aroundabouts thereish. Posts: 1,246	Meh. That felt pretty cheap, as finales go. The opening was great, but then the credits came on and everything just got pretty dull. Time travel resolution - great. Wasn't there rules about this stuff in dr who? Maybe those only apply to the Tardis for some reason, despite that making no sense. Ah, time loops which completely rely on themselves to happen. And the sonic screwdriver can open the Pandorica. The Doctors biggest ~~dues ex~~Skelieton key can unlock a prison made specifically to contain him. That's not even getting into the fact that it wouldn't have happened if it hadn't happened. When you start doing that sort of thing to resolve your plot, what's the bloody point? Amy's not actually dead! Despite being clearly dead. No no, she's just mostly dead, really! Haven't mentioned it before since I haven't been posting here much, but the doc's psycic powers as the plot demands are really, really starting to annoy me. Need someone to trust you? Just bump your head on theirs. Never mind the thousands of times the Doctor's been in a position where a power like that would be really, really useful and he's not used it. I'm ignoring River. Justified or not, she wandered off into Mary Sue territory somewhere along the line and she ain't come back. Any plot holes she creates are just her being special. Half the plot was spent running away from a Darlek that apprently can't kill the Doctor with a direct hit. Aside from a little drama, didn't feel like it added anything to the plot, aside from "Look! A Darlek! This is definnatly Dr. Who, no mistakes there!" There were some good things about the episode, I'm just ignoring most of them. Rory bot I liked. The characters (aside from River) were fun. The set up was great. Next episode looks interesting... Yeah, that's all I got. Gimme a bit, I'll try to think of something. __________________ Yeah, I'm understating. I do that sometimes.

06-26-2010, 11:39 PM	#148
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	I think the reason it didn't kill him is that he made it to the Pandorica soon enough for it to fix him. Also, like he said in the previous episode, it's really easy to open from the outside. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

06-26-2010, 08:53 PM	#146
Carade DO THE D-A-N-C-E Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 118	Fezzes are cool.

06-26-2010, 11:49 PM	#149
Steel Shadow Mild Psychosis Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Aroundabouts thereish. Posts: 1,246	He sure took his sweet time about getting there! Whatever happened to the 'Darleks shoot you, you die' thing? And why couldn't he just say "Hey, go distract the darlek for me!"? And wasn't the Darlek (and a mop-locked door) between where he collapsed and the Pandorica? And how does a sonic screwdriver unlock all those security measures they went on about last episode on it's own? When used by someone who doesn't have a clue what he's doing, no less... Ah, why do I care. The whole thing got stupid the instant they used a time loop to resolve an unresolvable problem. __________________ Yeah, I'm understating. I do that sometimes. Last edited by Steel Shadow; 06-26-2010 at 11:51 PM.